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canuckistan
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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they cant speak French...they cant speak English


Many Quebecois speak perfect French and English just fine. I can tell you haven't spent much time in Quebec.

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they just continually show their ignorance and arrogance in their backwater hillbilly style bastardization of the French language.


You have unfortunately shown your misguided understanding of linguistics and the development of dialects due to differing environmental factors from the major languages and their home countries that spawned them.

What of Cajun/Creole/ and all the English dialects out there? Are they products of ignorant/arrogant people as well?

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Lets see France has already refused to support or accept Quebec even if they voted to join them. Quebecers who go to France are looked upon as poor cousins who have serious speech impediments.


Where did you learn Quebec history? Quebec has never voted to join France, and the French gov't has always either explicitly or implicitly supported Quebec. Have you not heard the famous line by De Gaulle "Vive le Quebec Libre?"
Got news for ya, just about anyone who goes to Paris gets ridiculed for not being "French".
Every summer Quebec is crawling with French tourists, not just from France, but also from the wider "francophonie" diaspora.

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All the quebecois who want to leave Canada may...those that want to seperate can assume their rather staggering proportion of Canada's national debt, pay for all of the federal buildings in Quebec and give up all rights to call themselves Canadians.


A small, vocal, declining, and ageing minority who tend to use the separation option more as a leveraging tool against Ottawa than to really believe Quebec would be better off out of Canada. Quebecers are more attached to Canada than the PQ would try to have everyone believe, especially in this era of globalization.

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Other than that shaddup!
quebecois*spit*


Did Genvieve dump you at the poutine stand? Laughing
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paperbag princess



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seriously grotto, that's a lot of pent-up hatred for nothing. besides, separatism is dead, everyone knows that. anyway, montreal is my home and i luv it, so you can take your weirdo anglocentric prejudices and stay in ontario (or where ever it is that you come from).

also, english takes lots and lots and lots of words from french (seeing as it's the most bastardised langauge of them all) and no one thinks that's a bad thing.

also, parisians use more anglicisms in their language then the quebecois do, so chill out dude!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

paperbag princess wrote:
seriously grotto, that's a lot of pent-up hatred for nothing. besides, separatism is dead, everyone knows that. anyway, montreal is my home and i luv it, so you can take your weirdo anglocentric prejudices and stay in ontario (or where ever it is that you come from).

also, english takes lots and lots and lots of words from french (seeing as it's the most bastardised langauge of them all) and no one thinks that's a bad thing.

also, parisians use more anglicisms in their language then the quebecois do, so chill out dude!


Hey, I'm a Montrealer too! Wouldn't have it any other way either Very Happy
I really miss my franco-friends Crying or Very sad

I can often understand why the Quebecois use the term "maudit Anglais"
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 5:06 am    Post subject: Another place for dogs Reply with quote

Nw York hotdogs also has a branch across from Haeundae Beach in Busan- it is never busy, and the hot dogs are not too bad. Either that or head to Wal-mart for the imported cook at home ones.
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Pyongshin Sangja



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a New York Dogs in Icheon-dong, Seoul. Across the street from the high school, I think. Cheap and good, sauerkraut, chili, all the stuff.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah would def have to agree that place in Ichon is pretty good....and really reasonable!!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GO to Costco

2000 for the hotdog set. Drink and one steamed dog and bun

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 9:06 pm    Post subject: hmm Reply with quote

Hot dogs rule, Cost-co dogs rock...Steffe's are pretty good.


Quebec...the most racist intolerant province in Canada. Where else do you have the language gestapo telling you to remove English signs? Where else in the world do you have people in an English speaking country forced to have French forced down thier throats from a minority.
Where else do you have extra billions of dollars wasted by printing everything out in two languages. Where else do you have to sit through two languages of answering machine drivel while trying to contact your own government. What gives Quebec the right to force their language upon the English speaking majority of Canada? Do we need to do the plains of Abraham best two out of three?

As a western Canadian I am just sick of the bullcrap that the rest of Canada has to put up with. Seperatism is not dead, it is alive and well in the west as we are tired of having out resources plundered by Ottawa, Having second languages dictated to us, supporting the east with our tax dollars.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 10:43 pm    Post subject: Re: hmm Reply with quote

Grotto wrote:
Where else do you have extra billions of dollars wasted by printing everything out in two languages.


The EU? Switzerland? Florida? Korea?

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What gives Quebec the right to force their language upon the English speaking majority of Canada?


I thought something or another was guaranteed in the constitution or something. Dunno. Could be wrong, or something. To create a united Canada, upper and lower, French language rights (and the rights of Catholics to religious education) were guaranteed, not just for Quebec but for French speakers from coast to coast. Quebec asked for French to be on equal footing as English. PEI asked for a bridge.

Canada has become a far more multicultural nation since the French and English majorities created Canada. Maybe we should get rid of any official language legislation and let the market place decide. That would mean getting only Chinese traffic tickets in Richmond, BC of course...

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Do we need to do the plains of Abraham best two out of three?


That old saw. Quebec lost the war. Get with it. Sure, let's treat Quebec like a defeated occupied people. Just give them the moral imperative to reclaim their independence by any means necessary...

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As a western Canadian I am just sick of the bullcrap that the rest of Canada has to put up with.


Eastern Canadians are pretty sick and tired of seeing all the plums going to Western Canada: Olympics, common wealth games, expos, et al. Everyone thinks the grass is greener on the other side of Canada, even though it is technically greener in BC.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

grotto, have you ever lived in quebec? have you ever thought that maybe the media plays up the separatist movement for their audiences?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

canuckistan wrote:
Pyongshin Sangja wrote:
Right here in my pants.


Pics?

The women would like to rate and discuss Very Happy


canuckistan, Harin happens to like Booby Hotdogs.


canuckistan, here's a question for you:





































Do you think Harin likes Booby Hotdogs?
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Grotto



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmm are you forgetting the fiasco that happened when Montreal got the olympics? Sloppy construction, hundreds of millions of dollars overbudget, graft, corruption and a stadium that is falling apart. yeah lets see when Calgary got the Winter Olympics it built first class facilities that are still standing and in use drawing tourists and athletes from around the word...it came in under budget and on time.

It is interesting that you try to hide behind the Canadian constitution as Quebec is the only province that refused to sign it therefore they dont have the rights of the Canadian constitution. It just irks me no end that you cannot have an English sign up anywhere in Quebec without being fined or possibly jailed. Even things as simple as a garage sale sign must be in both languages and the French portion must be above the English part. Many Canadians would be more tolerant of Quebecers if they were more tolerant of the rest of Canada.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grotto wrote:
hmmm are you forgetting the fiasco that happened when Montreal got the olympics? Sloppy construction, hundreds of millions of dollars overbudget, graft, corruption and a stadium that is falling apart. yeah lets see when Calgary got the Winter Olympics it built first class facilities that are still standing and in use drawing tourists and athletes from around the word...it came in under budget and on time.


Sure Montreal in the '70s, when everything in Canada was deficit financed, did drop the ball. And Montreal was a great warning to LA and Calgary to look for ways to finance the Olympics without going to the public purse. However, Montreal isn't all of Eastern Canada. We're talking from Windsor to Toronto to Montreal to Halifax.

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It is interesting that you try to hide behind the Canadian constitution as Quebec is the only province that refused to sign it therefore they dont have the rights of the Canadian constitution.


Really? Wow that would be news to legal experts. While you might argue that Quebec doesn't have any moral rights to "hide behind" the constitution, the constitution, ultimately, did not re-write the accords of confederation and the terms with which each province joined and the deals it asked for. Those are still very much alive and in force. For example Quebec asked for three things: 1) language rights 2) recognized as a distinct society 3) keep its french civil code and not adopt BCL.

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It just irks me no end that you cannot have an English sign up anywhere in Quebec without being fined or possibly jailed. Even things as simple as a garage sale sign must be in both languages and the French portion must be above the English part. Many Canadians would be more tolerant of Quebecers if they were more tolerant of the rest of Canada.


You don't have to talk to too many people in Vancouver to find someone that biatches there's no English to be found in Richmond, BC. It irks me as well Quebec tramples on the language rights of minorities. However, you're now arguing two issues:

1) how a *nation* founded as officially bilingual operates and what rights English speakers in *any* part of that nation and what rights French speakers in *any* part of that nation have.

2) how a province deals with the rights of its minorities. That the majority of Quebec people speak French does not mean French speakers in N.B., N.S., Nfld, Ontario, and Manitoba have to be lumped in with those crackers and stripped of their language rights.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
However, Montreal isn't all of Eastern Canada. We're talking from Windsor to Toronto to Montreal to Halifax.


Failed Canadian geography did we? Mainlanders! pfft! Wink
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Harpeau



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peppermint wrote:
mindmetoo wrote:
However, Montreal isn't all of Eastern Canada. We're talking from Windsor to Toronto to Montreal to Halifax.



Failed Canadian geography did we? Mainlanders! pfft! Wink


Hey! Don't forget NewFoundland!!
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