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[Bob V]

Hello, anyone have any recent experience or info on any of these schools? Any info would be appreciated! Thanks!

Bob

[ghostshadow]

You may want to check this thread as there has been questions like this before, check the search for YBM or ECC

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=24031&highlight=ybm

[just because]

ECC in Changwon is not too bad.

They do have to do a lot of work and quite a few Saturdays but from what I hear from the people that work there they are generally not unhappy.

No problems with pay, apartment is good(though it is shared) but if I remember one psycho guy works there so you don't want to end up with him, everyone else is pretty cool though.

[PEIGUY]

working for an ECC right now no complaints really.. as people have said it's not bad for a newbie in Korea. After your 1st year you can get something better

[Dalton]

Here's another link to a long discussion about YBM in general:
[url=http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=24035&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30]
YBM[/url]
Here's a post from the thread (mine):

A pretty standard contract here is for 120 hours per month.
1 class hour is 50 minutes and contains a 10 minute break hence the teacher has 100 hours of actual in class teaching time.
(120classes*50min)=100hrs.

There are about 10 paid national holidays a year so this number reduces further. 10days*(6classes*50min)=3000min.
3000min/60min=50hrs
50hrs/12months=4.17hrs per month.
So a 120 class month becomes about 95.83 actual teaching hours per month on average. 10 days paid vacation becomes 91.66 hrs of actual teaching time per an average month.

The contract last posted is for a minimum of 95 classroom hours per month to meet the contract. The 'sample contract' was for less (minimum 90 teaching hrs) but the teacher who referred to it said their contract was for more hours. 95 hours wasn't it?

So what appears to be a working condition of less hours is just smoke and mirrors. If you always work the minimum of 95 hours every month (as the two contracts stated you must and YBM always follows their contracts to the letter) then you are working more hours than the standard 120 hour contract and you are not getting the benefit of paid national holidays (perhaps vaction benefits as well?).

OT is paid only if you work more than 95 hours a month. If you work 95 hours in the same month as a paid national holiday then you should get some OT pay(according to the contracts posted). Now this is a subtle point- if you normally work 4 hours on Thursday and Thursday is a holiday then you should work 4 hours less that month or get credit for the 4 Thursday hours. If you don't then you are not enjoying the benefit of paid national holidays.

Once again this is not the same as whether you enjoy your work environment, co-workers, etc. or not. It's a contractual slight of hand and IMHO and othersHO's, it's a reason to sign elsewhere. However as I have oft stated -working Saturdays is the deal breaker for me.
I need no other info than that.


Are you contractually obligated to work a minimum number of hours per month regardless of holidays or vacation time?
Not a good deal IMHO.


From the last (YBM) contract posted(in this thread):

5.5 Holidays and Vacation: Employee will be entitled to observe public holidays and receive vacation days during the contract term according to a yearly schedule provided by employer before the commencement of the year to which the schedule refers. There are at least 10 vacation days in each calendar year (January-December). Public holidays and vacations can only be taken as scheduled. Employee will not be paid for these holidays and vacation days.

No paid holidays, no paid vacation. Hence YBM'rs with this contract work more hours -95 in an average month than those with the standard 120 class contract- 91.66. And YBM'rs have to work on Saturdays. Hmm which contract should I sign?

6 days a week, 95 hrs a month, 135 classes a month, 1.9 or less
vs
5 days a week, 91.66 hrs a month, 120 classes a month, 1.9 or more.

oops I forgot the xtra hour of prep time every day at YBM.
(1hr*6days*52 weeks)/12=26 extra hours in an average month at YBM.
The revised hours are 121 in an average month. And that is more than 120. Just can't win with those guys. They got you coming and going.

YBM- You work more hours, we pay less but hey- we're nice guys!