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jurassic5

Joined: 02 Apr 2003 Location: PA
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2003 8:16 am Post subject: |
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what a tragic story...
last night, i sent out an email to the editors and some reporters at the korea herald, korea times, and the joonang ilbo to see if they have any information about this story. i would think a news reporter would love to investigate this story and break it. (i know that i had emailed the times before about the bubble sisters and they ended up writing an article about them.) so i hope that the truth is found out as to what happened since this is one very sad story indeed.
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 24 Jan 2003 Location: Middle Land
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2003 8:17 am Post subject: |
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cubase wrote:
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Your status as a former private investigator doesn't change the current situation, which is that we on this board have absolutely no "facts"..... |
FACT: A man went to the airport to leave Korea
FACT: He was detained by police and was being held against his will
FACT: Then he was given medication he did not want
FACT: That same man died while in custody
FACT: Friends and family have cited no history of mentall illness
FACT: He could speak Korean very well so communication is not a factor
FACT: The American embassy has been less than helpful
No.....no facts at all. Sorry to be so, *ahem*, obvious.
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But we can't call them facts. |
Um, okay....
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None of either article's "facts" came from US or Korean embassy, law enforcement or medical authorities. |
Since when do law-enforcement or medical authorities admit when they do something wrong?
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The only information in the article is third-hand. |
So what are you saying? Every single news article in the world whould be ignored because they are not verified 100 times from 100 different sources? Do you even know how the news media works, or the law, guidlines, and regulations involving it?
News reporters usually do not report things unless they have good sources of information and can actually cite sources if called upon by a judge. The odd time they get duped by a source, but not often. News media do not publish anything they feel is untrue, for fear of being sued.
Does it happen? Of course. But it is not common.
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Frankly, the theory that he was mugged on a subway "for being American" and then five days later captured and drugged or beaten to death by Korean authorities is less than believable, in my view. |
That has not been suggested by me.
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Calling it a "murder", even with the "?" added as a disclaimer, is just wrong. |
It's only speculation at this point, admittedly. But you seem to be blind of the facts which have raised many eyebrows.
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One more thing - if a major assault happened on the subway against a foreigner (like the one involving the off-duty soldiers last fall) we'd probably have heard about it. |
That's true.
But you're forgetting one very important fact:
Someone died, and no one knows the real reason why. I know exactly what that feels like. To have someone you love die under mysterious circumstances, and not knowing what the hell happened, is in the top Ten list of crappy things to have happen to you in life.
He was heading to the airport, this is fact. The police took him into custody. This is also fact.
Why did the police take him? |
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The King of Kwangju

Joined: 10 Feb 2003 Location: New York City
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2003 8:22 am Post subject: |
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jurassic5 wrote: |
...last night, i sent out an email to the editors and some reporters at the korea herald, korea times, and the joonang ilbo to see if they have any information about this story... |
Can you post those e-mail addresses here? |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 24 Jan 2003 Location: Middle Land
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2003 8:32 am Post subject: |
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[email protected]
Lee Kyong-hee, Editor-in-chief, Korea Herald.
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Korea Times main e-mail address.
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Joonang Ilbo, Public relations
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jurassic5

Joined: 02 Apr 2003 Location: PA
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Big Ger
Joined: 30 Apr 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2003 9:49 am Post subject: |
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My name is Gerry and I have been one of Matt�s friends for the past five years. I remember the first time I met Matt it was in an old apartment in Non Hyun Dong. The first that I noticed about him was his laugh. Those of you that knew him know what I�m talking about; it was loud, boisterous, and contagious. Matt and I shared many good times together, as well as helping each other through the low times. Over the years our relationship developed into one of comfort, trust, and maturity. He and I were like old high school buddies talking about old times, things to come, and every thing in the middle. Always finding pleasure in one another�s company, I know Matt was a friend I could always count on. Matt would often come over to my house and play with my little baby and talk with my wife. He was very kind and gentle and well liked by all. I�ll miss our walks at night, our talks, and all the good times we will not have. And I�ll miss what he said to me, almost on a daily basis, �Gerry your CRAZY�
Now to address some of the questions many of you seem to have about his death. I do not wish to discuss Matt�s behavior prior to the 19th of April, the day he was taken into custody by the police. He was taken into custody that morning, held for a few hours, and then transferred to another hospital. We, and I mean his close friends, do know the names of the hospitals, the detectives, and everyone else involved. Some friends went to visit him that day and reported that he was sleeping. He was sedated. The embassy knew where he was but did not bother to send someone out to check on him. The next day, April 20th, he was complaining about chest pains and they decided to transfer him to a university hospital. On route he passed away, roughly 5:30 on the 20th. About twenty of us were at the hospital shortly thereafter. He had many Korean friends there so the language barrier was not a problem. All of the information we had was given to the police, the embassy, and his family. An autopsy was performed the next day and the results are still pending. Matthew�s body was flown back to Alabama on Monday and the funeral will be on Friday, May 02, 2003.
With regards to the media, which some people criticized for not reporting the story. They came around looking for a story a day after he died. The family had not been contacted at that time so nobody (his friends) said anything to the reporter.
Those are the facts. The only reason I am writing all of this is because I don�t want people to be speculating, coming up with conspiracy theories, and trying to make Matt�s death into something that it�s not. On some of your postings I have seen false information. My point; there are a lot of questions about why he died and no solid answers as of yet. Until we know please keep the guessing to a minimum. I don�t believe an open forum like this is the place to be trying to play detective. I think it�s disrespectful to Matt�s memory. I have been talking with Matt�s family a few times and they have a lot of questions and are determined to get them answered. On this end we are trying to do what we can to find out what really happened. There are many people who will not rest until we have a clear, truthful picture of what caused Matt�s death.
As Nate said before we have to remember that a man has died. My friend is gone and that makes me weep. I would just like to ask all of you to have some respect for Matt and his family when you post a response in this thread. I�m sure Matt would do the same for you.
Gerry Robinson
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 24 Jan 2003 Location: Middle Land
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2003 10:06 am Post subject: |
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Gerry, point well taken.
Thanks for clearing up a lot of things and putting things into perspective. Many people (myself included) need to calm down about it.
I must admit when I first heard about it, the instinctual human habit of being curious took over. For not controlling that aspect of my humanity, I truly apologize.
I think one of the things that is on people's minds is that some of us feel "it could be one of us".
Anyway, I will refrain from further speculation because as you said there a lot of facts floating around that are not entirely accurate and it would be a disservice to his memory to keep going the way we are.
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cubase

Joined: 28 Apr 2003
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2003 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you for posting this, Gerry. It's what I was trying to say, admittedly not very well. I found the conspiracy theories and baseless speculation tasteless.
I'm sure many people want clear answers about what happened to him. Passing rumours and creating stories out of thin air answers nothing and provides no comfort to those who need it now.
I'm truly sorry for your loss. He sounds like he was a great guy. |
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itaewonguy

Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2003 6:36 am Post subject: seem I must be careful what I write! |
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SOMEONE HAS DIED!!
A fellow teacher has DIED!!!
that pretty much wakes us all up and says WOW, korea is not the safe haven we all thought it was!!!
now for my post which I hope THE MODERATORS dont think is speculation,
speculation, know one had a problem last month when their were over 100 posts and speculations over the IRAQ war!
I am pissed off that MATHEW died, so what I have been trying to say is!
I think the Police, and hospital staff should be brought in for Questioning!
they need to be investigated!!!
This should not be left alone to be swept under the RUG!!
we should do more to let the public know!
I mean~ what a foreigner who died here means nothing ??
I am not speculating his death!
I am saying the cops and medical staff need to be questioned more!!
thank you..
I am one pissed off teacher..
that a fellow teacher can just drop dead in the custody of the LAW! and MEDICAL personal!!
again I stress! NO SPECULATION!! thank you!
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Hyalucent

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: British North America
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2003 6:46 am Post subject: |
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The latest update is that Colin Powell is stepping in.
http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/news/1051780526311610.xml
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WASHINGTON Secretary of State Colin Powell said Wednesday that he was aware of Matthew Sellers' unexplained death April 20 in South Korea and that his office would investigate.
"We're trying to get an answer. I'll look into it when I get back to the department," Powell said during a congressional hearing. While clear explanations in such cases are not always possible, "we should do everything we can to try to find an answer," he said... |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2003 8:07 am Post subject: |
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>. Class move and kudos to Mr. Powell
Let's hope we get the straight goods on this one. |
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Ajarn Miguk

Joined: 22 Jan 2003 Location: TDY As Assigned
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2003 3:24 pm Post subject: Influence |
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The family is obviously not without influence and knows how to play the game. Getting the senior and very influential U.S. Senator from Alabama to confront Sec. Powell with the issue during an important Senate committee hearing is exactly how one should play the game.
If the truth ever comes out, it will come out because the heat is on some people who can put the heat on other people, even some people in Korea.
My prayers are with the family and know they will never stop in their desire to find out what really happened to their loved one on the day he was to return to them and they were to hold him in their arms.
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PootyTang

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Valley of the sun
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2003 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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I'd like to see a web site built in his memory. |
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Ajarn Miguk

Joined: 22 Jan 2003 Location: TDY As Assigned
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2003 8:47 pm Post subject: Least I Could Do |
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Not a bad idea, PootyTang. I hope it happens.
For my part, I believe every American ESL teacher in Korea should email his or her U.S. Senators and Representative and demand an inquiry into and explanation for the untimely demise of a fellow American and ESL teacher. I already did. I figured it was the least I could do.
The truth needs to come out, whatever it is. If there is nothing to hide, no one should be afraid of it. And if they are afraid of it, it begs the obvious question, why? |
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cubase

Joined: 28 Apr 2003
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2003 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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"We're trying to get an answer. I'll look into it when I get back to the department," Powell said during a congressional hearing. While clear explanations in such cases are not always possible, "we should do everything we can to try to find an answer," he said. |
Silly Colin Powell. If he wants answers all he has to do is come to Dave's ESL and read this thread. Lots of people seem to have it all figured out, and are ready to press charges against the police, embassy staff, medical workers, Noh Moo Hyun...
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I don�t want people to be speculating, coming up with conspiracy theories, and trying to make Matt�s death into something that it�s not. On some of your postings I have seen false information. My point; there are a lot of questions about why he died and no solid answers as of yet. Until we know please keep the guessing to a minimum. I don�t believe an open forum like this is the place to be trying to play detective. I think it�s disrespectful to Matt�s memory. |
Gerry: some of us honour and respect your views. And apparently some among us don't. And others still may claim that those of us who think idle speculation is distasteful "have something to hide".
I share the family's relief that the State Department is getting involved- it probably should have happened sooner. They're in a much better position to discuss what happened, and find out the real facts, than people playing detective on some message board.
I know mysteries are fun for some. But this is a colleague of those of us who teach here, and a friend and co-worker of some who visit the board. Let's all keep that in mind. |
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