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| How many times have you been racially assaulted? |
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57% |
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7% |
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7% |
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3% |
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10% |
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4% |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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Rereading my post, it sounds a little off from what I meant. I could change it but that would look dishonest, so I'll just explain it here a bit. When I said large I by no means meant a majority, and by group I by no means meant organized group, just an amount of unconnected people. What I mean is there is a huge amount of anti-Americanism (and seeing that they seem to assume all whites are American, it could be argued racism) on campuses, in fact from all the stats I've read and people I've come in contact with, it seems near to 100%. I call upon the spirit of Real Reality to come back up my claim with the links, etc., because I have seen him use applicable links before. Most college students think America is a bigger enemy than North Korea than the opposite.
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Links please. Provide these "stats" that you have read. Don't use Real Reality. He posts links about completely unrelated stats. He'd weaken your case rather than support it. |
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Kain067
Joined: 21 May 2004
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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I don't give a damn how you sugarcoat or try to make me feel. I am a logical, argumentative person, not an emotional floosy that can't see logic unless presented to me in an attractive matter.
You are trying to make it seem like you have perfectly valid points. You are trying to make it seem like I never argue your points, only some emotional BS on the surface. That's ridiculous. I have argued your points, and directly countered them. The only way you can respond is to say I have not argued your points but just some emotional mumbo-jumbo.
Now I can clearly see where your "subtle" little hintings from the last few posts have been heading. Yes, you consider me a racist hypocrite and you hate me with the righteous fires of your hypocrite-hating soul. How stupid do you think others beside yourself are to think the "subtleties" of your hints are necessary?
Read my previous explanation of my posts. There is no generalization in there. To say there is a strong current of racism and xenophobia in Korean society is certainly not a stereotype. You think all stats are stereotypes, because they confuse stupid people to think ALL people are racist if stats lean towards many being so. To say it's surprising to continually read and experience so much of this hateful streak with little said against it, and with no existence (that I have ever heard of) of anti-racist and pro-foreigner Korean groups, is not a hypocritical generalization. |
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nev

Joined: 04 Jan 2004 Location: ch7t
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Kain067 wrote: |
| Now I can clearly see where your "subtle" little hintings from the last few posts have been heading. Yes, you consider me a racist hypocrite and you hate me with the righteous fires of your hypocrite-hating soul. How stupid do you think others beside yourself are to think the "subtleties" of your hints are necessary? |
Kain067, don't get paranoid just because people are questioning your opinion. When you make some of the claims you are making, you will have to expect strong resistance. For example:
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| Here we have a large student populace that regularly attacks foreigners in the streets. |
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| a huge amount of anti-Americanism (and seeing that they seem to assume all whites are American, it could be argued racism) on campuses, in fact from all the stats I've read and people I've come in contact with, it seems near to 100% |
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| I feel like we are blacks in the the south of America in the 1950's, except we come from a more "developed" and internationally accomplished culture, so that adds insult to our foreignication |
These are bold statements, and you will have to expect a strong response, especially as (currently) 59% of people in this poll have had no racist experiences. This figure would appear to directly counter some of your claims of rampant xenophobia prevalent in Korea.
The anti-Americanism present in Korea is focussed on the US foreign policy, rarely does it spill over to individual Americans. It is a sentiment shared by many nations around the world, whether rightly or wrongly.
The bottom line is, you appear to believe Korea is a racist country. Many people appear to disagree. I would suggest the occasional incidents usually fuelled by alcohol in Korea pale into insignificance to the far more prevalent racism encountered by Asians in our "developed and internationally accomplished" Western cultures. And the kindness I've been shown here eclipses any perceived racism I may have experienced. |
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Kain067
Joined: 21 May 2004
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| signature test. |
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SuperFly

Joined: 09 Jul 2003 Location: In the doghouse
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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Here's my story. This was 1996, was with a Vietnamese friend in Ohio...we were driving home, I was almost passed out 3AM and I wake up to him yelling at some people in a car next to us. I come to my senses and I realize that while we had been stopped at the intersection, a carload of racist mfockers had taunted my friend with Asian mimicking and racist remarks.
As soon as the fockers realized he wasn't alone, they sped off and we continued on our way.
This was before I went to Korea.
I always kept that in the back of my mind when I experienced comments and such from Koreans.
It's not everyone...there are fockers in every country. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003 Location: Kuwait
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| And the kindness I've been shown here eclipses any perceived racism I may have experienced. |
Amen.
If nothing else Kain, as you sojourn continues, as your more pleasant experiences grow, try not to let what has happened in these early months cloud what you will experience as time goes on. Better days are coming, if you let them. |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 5:56 am Post subject: |
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Nev says to Kain '...especially as 59% of the people responding to this poll have had NO racist experiences'. It's 'racist assaults', the wording of the poll. I think most people define this as physical or intense, sustained verbal assault, and so that's how they voted. To respond to Kain this way is needling. I get the impression Kain is highly sensitive and easily bothered, but I appreciate his going on about things because he has something (lots) to say. It's better than a 'well, that's just the way it is' kind of matter of factness laid out in an indifferent one or two lines, unless it's about sports, drinking, women, etc.
Kain is game but don't deliberately taunt him by altering the poll question just to goad him.
He's probably punch drunk from not dropping the darkside of the 'guest treatment' then and there. Taunting foreigners is as culturally acceptable here as parking on the sidewalk  |
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nev

Joined: 04 Jan 2004 Location: ch7t
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Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Apologies for changing the wording of the question, it wasn't intentional.
Still, my point stands about the rampant racism claimed by some being unsupported by the poll results. "Racist assault" is very open to interpretation. For the record, I opted for "1" due to a stranger calling me "F...ing waegukin". Some might have discounted that. I imagine Kain067 included his subway experience as a racial assault too, which some too may have discounted.
That racial assaults happen in Korea is undisputed. That they are endemic and representative of the population is highly inconclusive. |
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chronicpride

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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That racial assaults happen in Korea is undisputed. That they are endemic and representative of the population is highly inconclusive. |
Agreed. And then we find ourselves debating and arguing over our personal perceptions and who each of us are as people to be able to form such perceptions, rather than Korea itself. |
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Kain067
Joined: 21 May 2004
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Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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once again...
\As*sault"\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Assaulted; p. pr. & vb. n. Assaulting.] [From Assault, n.: cf. OF. assaulter, LL. assaltare.] 1. To make an assault upon, as by a sudden rush of armed men; to attack with unlawful or insulting physical violence or menaces.
Insnared, assaulted, overcome, led bound. --Milton.
2. To attack with moral means, or with a view of producing moral effects; to attack by words, arguments, or unfriendly measures; to assail; as, to assault a reputation or an administration. |
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chronicpride

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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What happened, specifically? (Outside of the train incident, which we'll treat as not falling in that category) |
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Kain067
Joined: 21 May 2004
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 9:11 am Post subject: |
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Ha, screw that! Nice try. I've spent 8 pages of formal trial defending one small description, forget another 16. I'll just stick to stuff that can't possibly be interpreted as anti-Korean, pro-worthlesslittleenglishteacher, by the omniscent powers that be on this board, thank you. Though seeing as they somehow managed to twist this thread against Korea, well, this may be difficult...
Maya Angelou sucks. |
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chronicpride

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 9:20 am Post subject: |
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Maya Angelou sucks. |
Why, did you see her on a street one time and you caught her glance while she was in a bad mood and stewing about something else, and you deducted that it must have been about you, because of your *enter self-conscious trait here*?
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Kain067
Joined: 21 May 2004
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| though your post was turned against itself due to terrible grammar and the joke fell completely flat, no, that is not why i hate maya angelou. maybe the same reason your joke failed, is the same reason everything she writes falls utterly flat. |
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Apple Scruff
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| Hey guys, I just got here. What's going on? |
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