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sistersarah



Joined: 03 Jan 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 4:41 am    Post subject: learning korean by self-study Reply with quote

i want to get back into studying korean....i really wish i could take a course, but i can't.

did anyone learn korean entirely by self-study? is it possible?

any tips?

thanks

-sarah
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's possible, but there are some serious downsides. The biggest downside to self-study is that you have no one to talk to. You need to find people to talk to on a regular basis in Korean in order to remedy this. Language exchange partners, cab drivers, those bar employees that are basically paid just to hang out with the customers... there are people out there to talk to for the low-level Korean speaker, but it's not as good as a teacher who will actually correct you when you make mistakes. Still, the guy I know who speaks better Korean than any other foreigner I ever met never took a class, he just practiced by chatting up the barmaids at the bars in his town.

Try to use as many audial sources as you can to help you with listening comprehension. Music, language learning tapes, TV, etc. This is an area that's really easy to fall behind in if you aren't learning Korean in a classroom setting.

I'm not sure what you're studying from, or your level, but I'd recommend studying from Elementary Korean and Continuing Korean by Ross King as well as the Sogang website.

Then of course, there's always the motivation issue. It's easy to get lazy, so try to make your studies as fun as possible.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did! I listened to KBS radio quite a bit (I was in western Japan where one can hear it) and used music quite a bit. I think there was a thread on that.
I also suggest a Cyworld homepage, meet some people there and chat with them on MSN when you can.
It also depends on where you're living right now...where are you?
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sistersarah



Joined: 03 Jan 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for your replies. i'm in ilsan actually, so don't know of any classes being offered and i'm leaving in less than 3 months anyway.

my boyfriend is korean, which is perfect for someone to talk to, but he speaks fluent english, so it's just too easy to speak english all the time. i guess i should take advantage of the situation and have "only korean speaking time" or something. i suppose it's a motivation and discipline thing.

i'm happy to hear of two people so far who have learned on their own. that's inspiring.

sarah
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 5:50 am    Post subject: Re: learning korean by self-study Reply with quote

sistersarah wrote:
did anyone learn korean entirely by self-study? is it possible?

any tips?

thanks

-sarah


*looks around the room... tentatively raises hand*

Well, even if I didn't attend classes, I can't honestly say that I learned Korean "entirely by self-study" -- I mean, we all live in Korea. It's a virtual classroom out there, and it's free. You'll have to try out everything you learn with Koreans (unless you just want to be able to read Hangul).

Start out with vocabulary and sentence structures that you can use in everyday life. Audio tapes are helpful and, if pronunciation is a problem, indispensible.

Good pronunciation is the key if you want to converse in Korean. Japanese is different. When I studied Japanese, I could make myself understood even if my pronunciation was atrocious. Why? My simplistic theory is that Japanese words -- placenames in particular -- just tend to be longer and more drawn out (more syllables) than Korean. Easier to suss out what someone is trying to say...

I could utterly mangle "Setagaya-ku" (drunk or sober) and there wasn't a taxi driver in Tokyo who couldn't understand me. That was after a week at most. After a decade in Korea, though, I still have Korean cab drivers trying to take me to Yong-dong (southern Seoul) when I say "Myong-dong" (northern Seoul) -- or to Deunchon-dong when I say "Deungchon-dong".

Another pet theory of mine: the reason Koreans repeat words so often ("Ajumma! Soju juseyo -- soju!" // "Ma'am, give us soju. Soju!") -- isn't just because they're impatient, demanding and pushy -- it's because they, perhaps at a subconscious level, realise that it's all too easy to misinterpret very short words in their own language. Hence the need to clarify everything by shouting key words twice.

So, I would say that pronunciation really has to be a top priority. What's the point of overloading yourself with vocabulary & grammar if no one can understand what you're saying? Whatever it takes, develop an ear for the language, how it sounds, etc., and just become a mynah bird.

Most important of all, as I'm sure you know, is positive motivation. Luckily, Korean is something I just wanted to learn, so it never became burdensome. If someone had told me my education, my job, my salary, my happiness in life were all riding on becoming fluent in Korean (or any language) I'd surely have choked.

Good luck!

The Guru
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Chillin' Villain



Joined: 13 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For all of the fundamentals of Korean that I learned in my first year, Ilsan was my classroom, and taxi drivers were the teachers. Taxi drivers RULE for basic, stock conversations, and a lot (definitely not all, however) of them are patient and willing to speak to you (wanting, even!)...

I found that after a year of half-assed studying, discussions with taxi drivers, shyoo-pa ajummas, and drunken college kids, etc., I was able to get basic communication down, and a lot of the further stuff I had to learn was much easier. The main thing is not to expect too much of yourself right away- be satisfied with every little milestone you reach, and just screw up and learn from it as much as you can... Keeping a notebook with you DEFINITELY helps, as its the best way to keep track of vocab &c that you learn as you go along out in the streets (y'know, the vocab you actually NEED)... Also, as someone else said, it can be fun and effective to learn from music and norae bang... Get a cd with liner notes (or the internet), a dictionary, and go at it... Then, if the song's slow enough, start singin' em! I was kicking out the slow ones in noraebangs after a few months, so I reckon other people can do it too, with a bit of effort.

If you're thinking of coming back for another year, you should try studying a bit! I seriously would not live here any other way (although I have no criticism for those who do, of course.)
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little mixed girl



Joined: 11 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i wanted to know the basics before i started formal study at my university, so for a year before i look my korean class i did self-study...it was a pretty crappy study, but....yeah.

the edge u have that i didn't was a sexy korean BF...lol.

even if u are already kinda fit with hangeul, i'd say review it again, and ask your bf about pronunciation and such.

for books...i really have not seen ANY korean grammar book that i've liked. the books that my school used were called "college korean", and i hear that only the UC schools and my school use them... -_-
you could either get a book from kyobo bookstore or from yonsei university...

personally...i don't suggest language tapes because they are usually filled with things like "can u give me a pack of ciggarettes?" or "how many bottles of wine can i bring back in the country tax free?".

for the grammar, i'd say go over and over what's in a chapter and remember that korean is subject-object-verb and english is subject-verb-object.
also.....if u like comic books i'd suggest buying the korean translated japanese comics. they have pictures so u can follow along with the story, even if u can't understand all the grammar.

and vocab!! sometimes i feel that vocab is more important than the grammar, but they are equal of course hehe.
copying down random unknown words then looking them up and learning their meaning can help.
over the summer my friend suggested that reading children's books would be good for learning korean...i don't have any tho,,,haha..

mmm...yeah...
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nev



Joined: 04 Jan 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Self-study is useful, but only as a component of learning. I find it very useful to memorise words, but using that word in conversation is the best way to actually "know" it.

With your boyfriend, insist upon an all-Korean day once a week. If he refuses, withhold certain privileges.
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I learned a whole lot of korean of my students... but I think one of the best things you can do is try and practice as much as possible. For instance read everything you see. I picked up hanguel on the subway by listening and saying the station stops as they flashed up in english and korean.

Also try and practice with someone about your level. Those who are particualrly strong in korean (ie. native speaker) tend to dominate conversations. I'm finding my conversation is getting better in part because I practice with one of my neighbors who is at a similar level.
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 6:41 pm    Post subject: yes Reply with quote

There is LMC hagwon, near Daehwa station. They offer Korean classes.

I learned through mostly self study and practicing on MSN messenger.
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sistersarah



Joined: 03 Jan 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
There is LMC hagwon, near Daehwa station. They offer Korean classes


are you serious? my hogwan is directly next to LMC! i had no idea!

thanks for the tips everyone. i'm feeling more motivated now!

better get studying. i have future korean in-laws anxiously waiting to talk to me!
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sistersarah wrote:
better get studying. i have future korean in-laws anxiously waiting to talk to me!


Congrats? Very Happy
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manlyboy



Joined: 01 Aug 2004
Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia

PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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With your boyfriend, insist upon an all-Korean day once a week.


That's a great idea! I'll implement that with my wife tonight.

Personally, I think being largely self taught is really only for the academically gifted. Would you want to be operated on by a self taught surgeon?
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sistersarah



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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better get studying. i have future korean in-laws anxiously waiting to talk to me!


Congrats?


no, not officially. but i met the parents last sunday.... a HUGE step in that direction....took six months of arguing to make that step, but it went well.

his father said only two things to me
1- learn korean language quickly so we can talk
2- please come often

Smile
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I self-study and am cracking along Ok.
I do the following.

1. Learn a lot of the basic sentance structures and grammar rules.
2. Once this is down develop vocab.
3. practice on people all the time, g/friend, taxi drivers(as someone said they are gold), agasshis in bars(the best Korean I speak is when i'm pissed), and just in random conversations.
4. develop what you've learned and repeat with new structures.

Its like the foundation of a house, you build it up brick by brick and with each brick it becomes more complete.

I still have a long way to go though.
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