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Demophobe · Joined: 17 May 2004

"Actually this is a fairly dominant idea in eduaction today. Programs like "The Effective Teacher" and "Kagan Cooperative Learning" and others teach the concept that a teacher MUST teach all of the desirable behaviors for each classroom. Some recommend spending as much as the first 3 weeks doing this... to the exclusion of coursework (the "3/33 rule). As a high school teacher, I spend about the first 3 or 4 classes teaching the procedures I want.

General guideline: the rules must be fair and enforced equally. Students who don't follow the rule do NOT get their questions answered and are asked to stay after class for "remedial training". The first day you will have lots of little jokers who have to stay. They stay until they do it right. Soon it no longer is fun to stay and practice hand raising and you will see a sharp decline in the unwanted practice in a week or so. Once you get it ingrained, you classes will ru smoother and the discipline will be better.
(Of course, if you never see the same students twice or move classes all the time it's more difficult)."

Now...I fail to see where you and I crossed paths here. As for my "personal vendetta", I haven't a clue what you mean, unless you are referring to my railing against pecan. It's "part" of my "vendetta"? Hehe...I like that.

Thomas · Joined: 25 Mar 2003

Demophobe · Joined: 17 May 2004

It's called a "virtual community" mate, and there are cyber-social rules that are written in the FAQ. I differ with you on the tone of the board...I think there are just different issues that are reflecting the changes going on in the community, for better or worse.

pecan's posts, IMHO, don't follow the "social" rules that are usually a given within a forum of regular posters. So, yes, you are right, I attacked his tone, not him personally, although they seem to go hand in hand. This was my bad I suppose, but I stand behind what I said as I feel that attitudes like that do nothing to help the negative slide which you yourself outlined but do nothing about. In an online community, what you write and how you write it is who you are, just as in society.....it's your virtual representation. There were terms for people who talked down to others long before the internet and this has carried over into the virtual world. There are nice people and some bad people.

I guess I shouldn't care if people post rudely...what difference does it make, right? We should all be curt and condescending towards each other. I'm sure that would help make this place better, like it was 5 years ago.

I still fail to see how our advice was the same, as I didn't give any advice to anyone, save pecan. Really, not being argumentative at all, but I just see two very different posts...unrelated.

If you disregard the tone of people's postings, yet cry about how it's become so negative...well....that just doesn't make sense. Apathy. Then you come down on a poster for coming down on the negative guy. Odd.

Many new members are joining and getting good advice. You are right about the mods I guess. More control to keep people posting in a manner as pecan did. It would indeed save a lot of time as there are others who would have posted the same advice without coming off as a nasty person.

pecan · Joined: 01 Jul 2004

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paperbag princess · Joined: 07 Mar 2004 Location: veggie hell

ok, let me say this. i've trained all of my kindys, with the exception of my youngest class (but they can barely tell me their names, let alone comprehend 'raise your hand'). but i see them eveyday, so there's constant reinforcement. we have class rules and they know them and follow them very closely. it took me about a month to get them all trained.

it's the older kids that are a problem. i see them only twice a week for 45mins, which means that basically they forget about the raise your hand thing. they also don't care about stickers as much as the younger kids do, so it's harder to get a reward system going.

Homer · Guest

Not really a reward system paperpag P.

More of a respect system.....Even at two 45 minutes classes a week it can be done.
Do you work with Korean teachers who also teach these same kids? If so, ask them to apply the hand raising rule as well.
Alternatively leanr a few Korean phrases to explain to them in Korean that they need to raise their hands if they wish to ask a question in class.
In the end, it is your class, hence your rules.

kylehawkins2000 · Joined: 08 Apr 2003

Punishment/Reward systems are bunk!

Thomas · Joined: 25 Mar 2003

Demophobe: I don't post here often but have been a registered user/poster/browser for quite a long time. If you take a look at the majority of my posts, you will indeed see that I tend to post useful information backed by experience, education, or at least good intentions.

In my opinion, your last post to me was beyond what I would consider a polite response. My only advice would be for you to take a look at my contributions and you will see that I do try to give positive advice... maybe you should look to do the same. Granted, I may have been waxing nostalgic over the tone of the board and how I feel it has changed, but your response to me I think illustrates it better than my post did.

I don't really see a need or desire to continue this discussion with you and I wish you the best in getting whatever it is you hope to from this board.