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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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ahh yes once again you contradict yourself with your own words.
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| Let's run with SPARC BC, an advocacy group. They have decreed that the cost of living (not including rent and utilities) in B.C. is about $400 a month |
Well thats a far cry from living on 500$ a month isnt it 
Oh  Your sob story of the bank not wanting to lend you money  Gee I wonder why Did they meet you in person 
So you lived on less than 100$ a month  NO you ate for under 100$ a month. Healthy NO Bit of a difference dont you think
Now if you had continued that diet for an extended length of time what kind of health would you have
The numbers are there under average monthly expenditures.
www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/famili.htm#exp
I missed an 'i' in the original post.
The numbers are not 'off the top of my head'
Lets see statcan or some group in BC that you pulled out...hmmm.
An advocacy group....there are tons of them and they each have thier own agenda and will come up with stats to promote their position.
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| On the flip side of the coin, the B.C. Government has declared the cost of living in B.C. is less than $200 a month. For that, it would cover all basic food, clothing, and other expenses so that one can survive. I'll dig up the page later (as I found it originally at work) that talks why welfare pays $185 a month as a "cost of living allowance" and how they reached that figure. |
Wow 185$ a month to live on....where in BC can you rent an apartment, cloth and feed yourself for that kind of money? Once again bullcrap
I have declared that gravity is a lie. That doesnt make it true.
I would love to see any of those politicians who 'declared' that to attempt to live on that kind of money. Like all politicians that is just crap Quoting crap also doesnt make it true
People dont live in boxes Have you been to Vancouver lately? There are people who live in boxes, tents, and even worse Try leaving your parents lakeshore cottage and see how the rest of the world lives.
Oh yeah
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| Did I enjoy having an entertainment allowance of nothing? |
Didnt you work in a game store
Must have been tough not having anything to entertain yourself with there Maybe thats why you are no longer there
Oh yeah and just because you have learned to walk upright and grunt out a few unintelligable sounds doesnt make you human. You do give credence to the statement that 1,000,000 monkeys banging away at a 1,000,000 typewriters will actually produce something that resembles writing...eventually.....hang in there and keep trying you are getting closer to being coherent with every post |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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ahh yes once again you contradict yourself with your own words.
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| Let's run with SPARC BC, an advocacy group. They have decreed that the cost of living (not including rent and utilities) in B.C. is about $400 a month |
Well thats a far cry from living on 500$ a month isnt it |
Why do you insist on quoting out of context? Do you honestly think no one will notice or can you simply not handle reading things in their entirety?
That number of $400 per month as a cost of living includes community involvement, not a cost of necessities, and does not include the cost of housing. I was highlighting it to show that I had read a few sources as you claimed I would cite one magical source and rally around it. Instead, I was showing that even the most well-known advocacy group that has done research in the subject matter has declared one can still be active in the community and live on $400 a month plus housing.
In other words, I was trying to help your case since you haven't offered anything of value on your own. You had claimed that simply surviving wasn't enough, and that the true cost of living should include community involvement. Those people agreed which is why they cite that the cost of living should be $400 a month plus housing instead of $185 a month plus housing that the government has concluded is a minimum cost of living. They were on your side of the debate, and you trash-talked them.
Annecdotal evidence would show that you don't actually read anything I post up but rather you attack me for anything you can possibly cite out of context. Rock on. You inspire eleven year old children everywhere!
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| Oh Your sob story of the bank not wanting to lend you money Gee I wonder why Did they meet you in person |
Oh Zing. You took something I said, took it out of context, and have tried to make a little joke that you hope will undermine my position. Your mastery of tricks ten year old children would use is inspirational.
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So you lived on less than 100$ a month NO you ate for under 100$ a month. Healthy NO Bit of a difference dont you think
Now if you had continued that diet for an extended length of time what kind of health would you have |
I was unaware that you were also a nutritionalist. Or is it simply claims up as you go along again? I hate to suggest that you would do that, but you've done it so many times. Double plus irony that you accuse me of the same while ignoring the links I provide.
Though once again I see you failed to explain how I could not afford things like clothing on $80 a month. Brand X shoes and shirts from China aren't expensive. I had already covered food and transportation for $100 a month.
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Those are the numbers of what people are spending, not what the minimum costs would be. Which is exactly what I said the site appeared to have and have already said doesn't matter as we are talking about minimum costs and not what people are already spending.
If we took a poll and figured out what the average foreign English teacher in Korea was spending on food in a month (a number I would wager would be no less than 400,000 as based on my observations), would you seriously argue that a person cannot eat in Korea for less than 400,000 a month?
Unlike you, someone who appears to not actually read things in full and in context, I do. As such, such a "bait and switch" stunt won't work.
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Lets see statcan or some group in BC that you pulled out...hmmm. The only wide gap is the one that is between your ears
An advocacy group....there are tons of them and they each have thier own agenda and will come up with stats to promote their position. |
So you are attacking my sources, people have done research and placed hundreds of pages on the Internet which you now dismiss while offering nothing of value instead? At the very least when attacking them, you could explain how their research and conclusion were flawed. Their research methods and how they reached the conclusions they did are listed on their website.
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| Wow 185$ a month to live on....where in BC can you rent an apartment, cloth and feed yourself for that kind of money? Once again bullcrap |
Does English pain you so? I said the that number was for the cost of living not inclusive of rent and utilities. For that, it's a separate amount ($350ish or so), and I know of many people who have lived for under that in housing costs. Perhaps if you would actually read what was being written you would avoid such embarrassing public corrections.
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| I have declared that gravity is a lie. That doesnt make it true. |
Great. Tea, China, Pricing, relevance.
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| I would love to see any of those politicians who 'declared' that to attempt to live on that kind of money. Like all politicians that is just crap Quoting crap also doesnt make it true |
Who said it was politicians saying that? It was people whose jobs are related to funding the poor and ensuring no one starves or is harmed due to lack of income on their own. If you disagree with hundreds of people who have all done much research, why don't you provide links to people who have done research and disagree? So far you've just posted up some unqualified numbers and then a StatsCan page of what people spend on average that has no bearing on what the minimum costs would be.
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| People dont live in boxes Have you been to Vancouver lately? There are people who live in boxes, tents, and even worse Try leaving your parents lakeshore cottage and see how the rest of the world lives. |
Way to quote out of context again. I had said that people can live on $500 a month and have housing. I've seen it done many times. Your argument has been it can't be done whle refusing to back up your position with any sort of facts that is related to the matter. Maybe next time someone asks what the price of the bus is, you can state that they can't afford to ride the bus because a BMW costs $50,000.
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| Didnt you work in a game store |
Well, yes. Paid very well, met lots of interesting people, and learned many things about the world around me. My only regret is that I wish that everyone could have such a rewarding job as I did.
My greatest regret was that I left to Asia before we could finish building the rail gun we had started. Just because it was a game store didn't mean that intellectual activities were prohibited. We had decided to shift the project away from using an explosive magnetic accellerant (basically using a very powerful electromagnet that would be polarized to produce the same result that a bullet would use) to using a multi-staged magnet rails. Basically a series of electromagnets would pull the object up through magnetic attraction, disactivate when the object reached the magnet during its travel down the rail guides, and the magnets would activate an inversed magnetic field as the object passed if we were accellerating a magnet. But other tech projects like building a tesla coil were completed during my store tenure.
So what did you do at your last job when you weren't working? Read the newspaper when no one was looking?
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| Must have been tough not having anything to entertain yourself with there Maybe thats why you are no longer there |
As I've noted many time before to you, I left because a website I wrote for my friends to read suddenly exploded in popularity and was being read by tens of thousands of people a day. This in turn lead to people trying to track me down so they could phone me at the store and at home. Others were coming from far away to visit my store. Some were well behaved, others were doing great stunts in trying to become part of my website. As running a business under such a seige could not be easily done, I turned over the store to a friend of mine and disappeared in Asia.
But I'm sure whatever version of events you'll tell me what really happened will be much more negative.
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| Oh yeah and just because you have learned to walk upright and grunt out a few unintelligable sounds doesnt make you human. You do give credence to the statement that 1,000,000 monkeys banging away at a 1,000,000 typewriters will actually produce something that resembles writing...eventually.....hang in there and keep trying you are getting closer to being coherent with every post |
I am amused that you attack me as not being coherent while every post of yours in this thread has been a combination of misinformation, out-of-context quotes, amateurish insults, and false claims of supporting information. Unless you have some actual facts to support your case or can quote in context, my future replies will simply be me asking you support your claims. The masses have already concluded I "have won" this debate simply because I proved my case while you have offered nothing of value.
Don't worry, I'm sure you'll "get me" in the next debate. You can't possibly lose four debates in a row. |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 3:00 am Post subject: blah blah blah |
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I am so tired of hearing you try to justify your position and acts.
Your OP was people can live on 500$ a month. That is an opinion! Sure you can find sites on the internet to say that you can live on 185$ a month.....great Once again fallacy not reality.
You lived on 100$ a month? Didnt pay rent? Didnt pay for transportation? Yawn. |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 4:19 am Post subject: |
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| Anything else going on in this thread, other than these two publicly PMing each other? |
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Lyrt
Joined: 26 May 2004
Location: Somewhere in France
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| Anything else going on in this thread, other than these two publicly PMing each other? |
I actually enjoy it. |
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Rather_Dashing
Joined: 07 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 8:14 am Post subject: |
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I am so tired of hearing you try to justify your position and acts.
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What was he supposed to do? Give an unsubstantiated opinion? Post knock-knock jokes?
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| Your OP was people can live on 500$ a month. That is an opinion! |
No, it's a fact. You can easily live on $500. You eat cheap food and you room with people. Or, you go to food banks, squat in buildings, or use shelters.
Remember, you just used the word "live". That only requires people to continue breathing to be true. Now if you had used a term such as "live well", then you would have entered a subjective term into the equation at which point the term "well" must be agreed upon or else further discussion in the subject becomes worthless.
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| Didnt pay for transportation? Yawn. |
If you're on welfare, you usually live somewhere where everything is closeby (pretty much anywhere in a metropolitan area). You walk to places. You aren't going to be paying for an $80/month metro/bus/train pass if you're on welfare.
And now, ladies and gentlemen, I have figured out why Gord hasn't finished his book. He'd rather spend time writing books on message boards  |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 8:28 am Post subject: Re: blah blah blah |
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| Grotto wrote: |
| I am so tired of hearing you try to justify your position and acts. |
I explained my acts, opinions, and claims. I'm not out to justify anything as can be clearly seen in my posts. You've made it very clear that you find many of my actions unpopular, but I have not attempted to justify them but rather cite why I did them and left it at that. Why would I possibly try to justify them to you? Your judgement of my actions is of no value to me.
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| Your OP was people can live on 500$ a month. That is an opinion! Sure you can find sites on the internet to say that you can live on 185$ a month.....great Once again fallacy not reality. |
You say that I am wrong, various levels of the goverments are wrong, that multiple advocacy groups for the poor are wrong, and even people who have lived on $500 a month are wrong, yet despite several pages of postings have yet to offer a single byte in support of your claims that everyone is wrong but you.
It is obvious that you have no such data to back up your claims because you are obviously mistaken.
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| You lived on 100$ a month? Didnt pay rent? Didnt pay for transportation? Yawn. |
As clearly explained, the number was compared to a cost of living minus the cost of housing ($100 to $185). Rent was not being discussed. And I clearly cited thate my transportation costs were included in the $100 a month total for my cost of living.
You've refused to cite anything of value and are entirely dependant on attacking me with out-of-context quotes and false claims credited to me. If you can't even tell me what I wrote and it's in the message you're replying to over and over, then we must all conclude you are simply dragging your feet along so you can practice your grade school insults.
See you next debate. Perhaps you will do better. And now, I'm off to make one of the remaining chapters in my book far less hackish in appearance. |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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you are writing a book? thatll be a laugh. what is it on? how to ambush people?
Well they always say you should write what you know.
The reasons hogwan numbers are down is gored is out there and the children can stand him either.
It does once again lend credence to a monkey at a typewriter though....I just didnt think you would take me literally.
I can just see the title: How I was a loser planning on building a rail gun while I worked at a game store. Catchy isnt it |
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Juggertha
Joined: 27 May 2003
Location: Anyang, Korea
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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ok, I kind of posted this on another thread but i'll throw it on here as well...
who here has lived on this?
These numbers of 500 and 400 that are thrown about, WHO HAS LIVED ON THEM? I'm not asking for a link. I'm not asking for statistics. I'm not asking for someone that "ate KD all through Uni"...
I'm asking which of the brave souls out there that advocate XXXX is a livable amount to exist on... which of you has done it? Which of you has been on welfare??
OR, are you just speaking out of that hole "down under"?
Seriously, if anyone is arguing that it's impossible... they are wrong. It IS possible to live on that.
Been there, done that!!
My point has always been... who would want to?
*btw didn't this all start onthe collections canada thread?
back to the original post though... my schools up in students. Not massively.. but up. heh, go figure. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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you are writing a book? thatll be a laugh. what is it on? how to ambush people and be an a$$hole?
Well they always say you should write what you know.
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I can just see the title: How I (...) worked at a game store. Catchy isnt it |
I see you've already read the online version read by millions around the world. I've already presold many hundreds of copies at $35 Canadian each.
thread locked for a timeout on the flamewar--mod team |
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