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Are you ashamed to walk into a McDonald's?
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Are you ashamed to walk into a McDonald's?
Yes
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 39%  [ 28 ]
No
42%
 42%  [ 30 ]
About half the time yes; half no
18%
 18%  [ 13 ]
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batman



Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Oh so close to where I want to be

PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iiicalypso wrote:
Thanks to all y'all, I had a breakthrough yesterday. I went to Burger King and didn't feel the least bit guilty! Now, I am ready to take the next step and ignore the "take off the top, pour out the ice here, and put the cup here" rigamarole.

BTW, what do they do with the cups afterwards?


They give them a quick rinse in cold, soapless water and use them for the next customer.
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. For a country notorious for keeping it's public trashcans hidden, you walk into a fast food joint for the first time and you virtually need an orientation program to help you figure out the the simple task of throwing garbage out.
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batman



Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Oh so close to where I want to be

PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The garbage program at the fast food places here is something. Guess I have been in Korea too long. When I went home for my annual Canadian summer vacation I went into a Harvey's, finished my meal, looked at the garbage can and though "um, yeah and where does the cup and the ice go?". Felt weird (like I was doing some great disservice) just throwing them in with the rest of the trash.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

batman wrote:
The garbage program at the fast food places here is something. Guess I have been in Korea too long. When I went home for my annual Canadian summer vacation I went into a Harvey's, finished my meal, looked at the garbage can and though "um, yeah and where does the cup and the ice go?". Felt weird (like I was doing some great disservice) just throwing them in with the rest of the trash.


I totally do that too. Lotteria is the most confusing. I find if you're a whitey and there's a staff person nearby they just grab your tray from you and do it themselves. Which is good. After 9 months of Lotteria consumption I still can't figure it out.
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase



Joined: 04 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

desultude wrote:
"Pretentious slumming travelers who view diahrea as a status symbol"? I can't think of anyone that twisted.


I recall reading this months ago:

http://groups.google.com.au/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=op2i9.19539%240p1.355172%40news2.ulv.nextra.no

This newsgroup poster admits that travelling tourist-style is safer for your health, yet he continues (in this and other posts) to disparage tourists as shallow and closed-minded. Rolling Eyes
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kain wrote:

Quote:
great, the thought police have struck again. they always do it in unison, you'll notice.


Kain:

How do the people who criticize you qualify as "thought police"? They're not trying to censor you, are they?
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danielcraig



Joined: 17 Aug 2004
Location: Indiana, USA

PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 9:57 pm    Post subject: Embarassed at home too Reply with quote

I felt less embarassed going into a McDonalds in Korea than at home in the States. In Korea I had withdrawl pains for crap like that. I even made special commutes into the city for crappy tacos at a hole in the wall in Shinchon. It's amazing what you'll eat when you have cravings.
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
Man I got on the subway today and there was some 300 lbs 24ish white woman mowing down on a big bag of McDonald's food. Talk about stereotype.

peppermint wrote:
Congrats, you've bought into the "Korean" mindset. .


Peppermint does a good job keeping us on our toes here at "the Cafe" when it comes to unfair or biased stereotyping. I mean that seriously and sincerely.

I thought I understood her point here, but now I'm not sure. Can I ask, Peppermint, what the inverted commas in "Korean" mindset are meant to indicate?

That Koreans don't really have such a mindset? (not even sure what "mindset" means here)

Or they do, but the mindset (can we call it "stereotype"?) which mindmetoo refers to in his post isn't really a Korean one. (i.e., the "obese white people and their junkfood addiction" stereotype does exist in Korea, but it's not specifically a "Korean" mindset -- it's pretty much universal.)

On a side note, I've personally seen 20~30 truly obese people in Korea. About 80% or so were white, the remainder black. I didn't conduct a survey, obviously, but those I heard speak all seemed to be from (North) America. On the other hand, I've only seen a couple of obese Koreans on television, but none were "morbidly" so, and they were part of a documentary, anyway.

I've just recently returned from 2 weeks in America where, along with the usual oddities and differences one perceives anywhere, I noticed the distinct absence and presence of two things: dust and obese people, respectively.

While there on a previous visit years ago, I saw East Asian tourists (individual couples, small familes, tour groups) on the Strip in Las Vegas and at two theme tours in Southern California taking photos not just of "tall building", "pretty bridge", "funny Mickey Mouse"--- but of obese American people (park staff, custodians, even tourists from other parts of the US Shocked)... like these people were part of some roving freakshow on the pavement -- a Ripley's Believe-it-or-Not On Parade, as it were.

So I got out my camera and took photos of the Asians taking photos of the obese Americans --- a surprising number of whom actually smiled and waved to the camera! Exclamation Confused

But I'm sure I'm stereotyping unfairly here. Must be that bad old "Korean" mindset of mine...
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I meant by the "korean "mindset is obsessing about weight, your own and other peoples. I know it's not uniquely Korean, but it's much more in your face here, both from Koreans and foreigners.
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Kain067



Joined: 21 May 2004

PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saw "Super Size Me" today. Damn interesting and everyone should see it, no doubt about that. Really puts some light on just how bad fast food (McDonalds at least) really is for you. Made me question even my once a week eating.

Course the moral obligations are less clear and open to much more interpretation. This becomes unintentionally clear during the segment on children's school cafeterias (which is where I originally thought the most action needed to be taken, and immediately). I think that segment is almost a small-scale symbol, parable, whatever, for what is happening on a global scale. The children want what tastes good. They take what tastes good. The intervention that the movie advocates (and myself, actually) is physically restricting them from what they want.

The world wants McDonanalds. The world wants Hollywood. The world wants America. Are the above three harmful to the world? Perhaps. Do we then physically prevent them from acquiring these things (Korean screen quotas)? Perhaps. Just give a little more thought to the complexity of the moral questions raised here before ranting one way or another.

PS to ontheotherhand:
do they delete people, or their posts, for what they say? no. do they "punish" people for what they say (through ridicule and attack, not argumentation)? yes. sounds like police to me. of course i only meant they are only a tiny eslboard version, but relatively, and scaled to size, same deal. oh yes, they don't punish people for what they say, but the grouptype that they assume they fit into. (yes i was undeservedly put in the abundant "i hate korea i like america yeeepyyiyokiyay" group a little bit ago by the police that be, dont know if im still there).
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps they do obsess over weight here peppermint. That can be annoying and it is much more in your face then back home. But, call me crazy here, that in my opinion can have a beneficial side effect as the social shame put upon being overweight might prevent many people from getting grossly obese (note the might) instead of being told that it is ok and that you should just love yourself.

Obeseity and over eating are major societal problems back home so it can be understood why some people from other countries with no or a lesser weight problem see us westerners as whales sometimes.

Fat people shoud not be abused or insulted but the other way applies too as they should not be cuddled and given special treatement because of their obesity (two seats for the price of one on airplanes for example).

Having a healthy weight is a good thing for you.
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peppermint



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe you've got a point Homer, but the only people I knew at home who were as obsessed as most people seem t be here, later got treatment for eating disorders- really.

As for no fat Koreans? I see a lot of girls who wear FUBU cause it's the only thing that fits, got at least 10 REALLY heavy students, and spent an uncomfotable half hour today on the subway, cause the Korean guy sitting next to me thought he could fit into one seat, but he needed at least one and a half.
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What seems to annoy me is that is that in the warped view of some members of this board the only overweight westerners here are women Rolling Eyes
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batman



Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

peppermint wrote:

As for no fat Koreans? .


I see fat Koreans every day.
I see little boys with middle-age bodies (slouching shoulders, look of pregnancy, pants pulled up to their nipples).
My son is 20 months old and the thinnest of his play group.
The rest of the toddlers all have rolls of fat around their wrists and their ankles.
I see university girls with round faces and soft bodies.
I see housewives and businessmen who look like they should be shopping at "Short and Fat".
When I was a kindergarten teacher I was amazed at the number of 5 year olds who were already (weight wise) pass the picking up stage.
Korea is not a land of skinny min-hees and starving marveens.
The "Korean girls are tall, thin and beautiful" stereotype is an over-hyped myth (sure there are some but no more nor less than what you would find back home).
Though the rate of obesity is not the same here as in the United States I believe the numbe is still around 10%.
And a huge minority (30-40%?) of South Koreans are considered fat.

If you want skinny, go to Japan.
When I lived in Japan I was always amazed at how small and thin the Japanese (blatant stereotype, I know) seem to be in comparison to the South Koreans.
If you want a thin Korean, go North.

But let us not confuse thin for healthy.
I do know quite a few thin Korean girls who are unable to walk non-stop for a few hours. Who are unable to swim a couple of laps at the local pool. Who think breathing is a legitimate form of exercise.
(And anyone who has been in a changing room in Korea knows all about the horrors of 'hidden fat'. Sure the person looks decent when clothed but once naked and the girdle is removed...)

Obesity is disgusting.
Fat people should not be coddled because they are fat.
They should grow up, accept responsibility for themselves and stop giving excuses ("Oh it's genetic" they might cry. But only because the whole family is eating out of the same fat-encrusted pot. And, in a sense, it is genetic because humans did not evolve and develop for millions of years just to eat at McDonald's. Processed foods (McD. Doritoes. Coke. etc) all go against the food culture and history of the human race. And the human body was not designed for inactivity.

Fat or thin, everyone should watch what they eat and try to get enough exercise (I know I probably sound like a parent when I say that.)
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batman



Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crazylemongirl wrote:
What seems to annoy me is that is that in the warped view of some members of this board the only overweight westerners here are women Rolling Eyes


Perhaps the overweight men don't have mirrors?
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