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Rather_Dashing
Joined: 07 Sep 2004
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 Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 11:35 am Post subject: |
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CustomX, I sympathize with your situation. But, what I'm trying to get across is:
a) Nobody cares who you are.
b) It's easy to fake who you are.
c) Nobody likes a braggart.
And that goes for everyone... hence the quote, "You can be whoever you want to be on the internet". I don't care about your (potentially imaginary) grades or looks. Not a flame, just trying to get my point across here. There's asking for advice, and there's OMG ME > U!
And to answer your questions, Yasuo Kuga is the only EE430 prof, and the new electrical engineering building is connected to the old one. Pwnt.
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CustomX
Joined: 25 Aug 2004
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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again
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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If you've DONE your research, then you'll realize being able to speak Korean is the only thing that might let you negotiate for more money. A friend (pure white guy and not half chinese) was able to negotiate for an extra 100K a month because of his conversational ability.
Is anyone else curious why this guy is passing on a career as an F-18 pilot to teach at a hagwon in Korea and wow Korean mothers with his good looks? Such ambition!
His whole post was about using his "good looks" to negotiate for more money. When he's told he's probably a flake, he starts pulling qualifications out of his butt, things that might actually be negotiable.
Please back door draft, send this guy to the killing fields of Iraq asap... |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| CustomX wrote: |
| ChronicPride-thanks for your help. if i do find a recruiter, ill be sure to let you know. im hoping that my 3 years of korean will help me get a job, along with my personal desire. thanks again |
Half-Koreans who speak conversational Korean, don't require a school sponsored visa, and are willing to work for less and not require housing can't get jobs easily. In my three years in Korea, I've met two Chinese or half-Chinese persons working in ESL. One was a teacher who was at a school with a bazillion teachers so the school wanted to show that any Asian could learn to speak English (and was a nice guy too), the other was involved in placing people in jobs.
There are a billion locals who already speak perfect English. My girlfriend for example, a Korean who attended university overseas and has a master's degree in childhood education. I lined her up some extra work in my neighborhood on Saturdays. She's an incredibly bright cookie, but even the parent's of these children want me to show up once in a while just because I am caucasian.
As for the "good looking" angle, you're coming from America where you are getting an Asian bonus to your looks much like here where everyone says I'm exceptionally handsome (and have been paid more for my looks because I retain a higher number of adult female students on average) instead of just the above average guy that I am back home. In Korea, Chinese people aren't considered attractive on average due to dominant traights such as the rounded faces. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and the standards used are not always universal. |
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Rather_Dashing
Joined: 07 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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Not trying to brag? Someone called you a loser. Instead of sucking it up and ignoring it, you come up with this "I have a 3.8 GPA and I am UBER" story. You end up offending people and then they wish you death and the comments only get nastier...
I hope you know what to do next time. |
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CustomX
Joined: 25 Aug 2004
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Mashimaro
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: location, location
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
| Chinese people aren't considered attractive on average due to dominant traights such as the rounded faces. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and the standards used are not always universal. |
just FYI "traits" has no g or h. |
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Mashimaro
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: location, location
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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good point. I remember the last time of hiring I delibertly had a shot with me and student looking happy. It was corny, but it worked a charm. |
Damn that is a good idea! Women are definitely the smarter s.e.x. A simple idea yet brilliantly effective |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| CustomX wrote: |
| Dashing, you're such an idiot. This post was about looks alone. I felt no need to say that im 1/2 chinese, 1/2 white or what my major was or my gpa or that i've taken 3 years of korean. I was purely interested in looks! |
The half chinese / half caucasian thing is pretty damned important when discussing looks. And by Korean standards, it's highly unlikely you will be considered very attractive unless you managed to somehow not inherit the dominant Chinese traits that are viewed as not being attractive by Korean society in general.
And unless you can pass as caucasian, you would have to be pushing underwear model status to be high paid based on your looks.
The simpliest solution is to toss up a picture and let the Korean ladies (and possibly the Korean men) who read this forum decide. Is there nothing I can't solve?
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Mashimaro wrote: |
| just FYI "traits" has no g or h. |
My initials are G.H., and once I am the King of the World every word will have a G and H in them!
And in completely unrelated news, I make retarded spelling mistakes when I get up early after going to bed late. |
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prosodic
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
Location: ����
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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no reason to jump all over me. chill out. i was just asking a question. and HELLO, some of you never even read my post. i never claimed to be super hot or anything, i said i am 23, and under my name it says i am from seattle. i can already speak pretty good korean, considering that i have taken 3 years of it at my university. so please dont say im in for a huge shock when i come to the country. i think i have a good grasp on what the korean culture is like. about 90% of my friends are korean, i eat out at korean restaurants all the time, been to Ktown in LA I dont even remember how many times...the point is that I feel im pretty prepared to come to the country. I was just trying to obtain more information on an area that I am not quite familiar with. Some of you may think that I am immature, but isnt that typical since there are many of you in your late 20's, 30's and 40's? I dont mind getting a job for 2.0, hell, thats the amount that im expecting to get. But I figured that if its possible to negotiate for more, then why not? Besides, theres nothing wrong with negotiating. If you get a salary offer back here in the States for a corporate job, do you immediately take it? I know I would try to sell myself and try to get more if I felt like I deserved it.
No need for anyone else to post more since I think I got the answer to my question already. |
Stupidest post and poster ever. |
Do you remember "karl" from a few months ago? He had a fake degree and kept asking questions like, "why do they want official transcripts in a sealed envelope?" That guy was a lot stupider. CustomX is a close second. |
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just because
Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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I don't ever post on these bashing posts but one point I have.
CustomX, you said you've hung out with heaps of Koreans in the US.
They ain't nothing like they are here. You are in for oneHUGE shock. |
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prosodic
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
Location: ����
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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. and i have done my research, i know that black people have a hard time getting job, so do people with accents, and females are usually preferred over males.
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I really hate to bust your bubble, but you're gonna have a really hard time on the job hunt here. I used to get so many resumes from Kyopos and Asian-Americans. Even people that could pass as being white in the US. I couldn't push them on any school, ever. You won't even be able to find private work, if you came in on a tourist visa. If you want to make money in ESL, I'd recommend going to a place that doesn't have a fixation on how white a person looks. Japan, nope. Taiwan, nope. And take out Korea, and then that's the big 3 over here. Vietnam is up-and-coming and is starting to pay out $1000-1200US/mnth and is more tolerant on appearance. China will take you, but that's for $500-600/mnth.
Honestly, though, I think you will find yourself just getting frustrated and disappointed looking for work here. If you can do it, please PM me with the recruiter's name that got you the gig. I have 50+ people back home that don't look the part and couldn't find a way in. |
I don't often mention this, but I am Korean-American (but not Kyopo). I get good jobs in Korea. I get more money and respect than the white teachers at my school. I get private tutoring jobs all the time and I usually refuse to do it for less than 50,000, sometimes twice as much.
The big difference between CustomX and me is that I have excellent credentials for teaching ESL. I can explain the difference between light "l" and dark "l." I can tell you if you use dark "L" based on where you grew up and how old you are (I'm rarely wrong and CustomX probably does not use dark "L" based on his age). I can explain the differences between literary and colloquial language using the terms of Sylvia Adamson and other experts in the field. I can explain the differences between several distinct North American accents. I've been at my current school for one week and I'm already training the other teachers whenever they're asked to teach anything other than conversation.
With a BA in electrical engineering and chinese ethnicity, you're looking at the bottom of the barrel jobs. Be happy if you can get 1.8 for 30 hours. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| prosodic wrote: |
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| CustomX wrote: |
no reason to jump all over me. chill out. i was just asking a question. and HELLO, some of you never even read my post. i never claimed to be super hot or anything, i said i am 23, and under my name it says i am from seattle. i can already speak pretty good korean, considering that i have taken 3 years of it at my university. so please dont say im in for a huge shock when i come to the country. i think i have a good grasp on what the korean culture is like. about 90% of my friends are korean, i eat out at korean restaurants all the time, been to Ktown in LA I dont even remember how many times...the point is that I feel im pretty prepared to come to the country. I was just trying to obtain more information on an area that I am not quite familiar with. Some of you may think that I am immature, but isnt that typical since there are many of you in your late 20's, 30's and 40's? I dont mind getting a job for 2.0, hell, thats the amount that im expecting to get. But I figured that if its possible to negotiate for more, then why not? Besides, theres nothing wrong with negotiating. If you get a salary offer back here in the States for a corporate job, do you immediately take it? I know I would try to sell myself and try to get more if I felt like I deserved it.
No need for anyone else to post more since I think I got the answer to my question already. |
Stupidest post and poster ever. |
Do you remember "karl" from a few months ago? He had a fake degree and kept asking questions like, "why do they want official transcripts in a sealed envelope?" That guy was a lot stupider. CustomX is a close second. |
Ah yes, him! You're entirely correct. This cover model fly boy cracker is only 90% of karl "b.a." |
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prosodic
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 12:02 am Post subject: |
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| CustomX wrote: |
| Dashing, you're such an idiot. This post was about looks alone. I felt no need to say that im 1/2 chinese, 1/2 white or what my major was or my gpa or that i've taken 3 years of korean. I was purely interested in looks! |
CustomX, you're right that your question was purely about looks, but you're wrong if you think that being 1/2 Chinese is unrelated to looks. Hagwons don't use asians in their marketing photos unless it's supposed to be a picture of a student. |
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