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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| I'm sorry, but genetics cannot explain the explosion of obesity in the world, and especially in the U.S. |
Precisely, and thank you. If genetics were such an overarching factor, then why do we see overweight/obesity rates among Korean-, Chinese-, Japanese-Americans, et al., that are multiples greater than their countries of ethnic origin?
But at the same time, why is it that Asian-Americans -- despite being exposed to the same junk-food marketing, despite having the same access to fattening foods, despite the prevelance of the same sedentary, unhealthy work/lifestyles as their white/black/brown counterparts -- why aren't they excessively fat or obese in the same numbers or rates as their white/black/brown counterparts?
Not, I think, because they are blessed with superior genetic material, but rather because the oft-disparaged socio-cultural restraints against obesity in their countries of ethnic origin tend to work just as well in their "adopted" countries.
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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 1:48 am Post subject: |
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JongnoGuru
Precisely, and thank you. If genetics were such an overarching factor, then why do we see overweight/obesity rates among Korean-, Chinese-, Japanese-Americans, et al., that are multiples greater than their countries of ethnic origin?
But at the same time, why is it that Asian-Americans -- despite being exposed to the same junk-food marketing, despite having the same access to fattening foods, despite the prevelance of the same sedentary, unhealthy work/lifestyles as their white/black/brown counterparts -- why aren't they excessively fat or obese in the same numbers or rates as their white/black/brown counterparts?
Not, I think, because they are blessed with superior genetic material, but rather because the oft-disparaged socio-cultural restraints against obesity in their countries of ethnic origin tend to work just as well in their "adopted" countries.
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I think that it must be psychological/socio-cultural factors, also. I suspect that the western culture of immediate gratification is somewhat counterbalanced by Confucian notions of constraint and self-control. That being said, in my brief couple of years in Korea, I am already seeing an increase in obesity amongst my Korean students, especially the young ones. |
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Kain067
Joined: 21 May 2004
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 4:53 am Post subject: |
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of course behaviours eventually override genetics, but you seem to be negating the base genetic components underlying it all. if that kid i mentioned locked himself in solitary with nothing but Doritos, eventually he'd develop a gut. But if I were to just eat a bag of Doritos a day, and still keep my exercise plan and regular eating I'm on, you would have a hard time distinguishing my arms and legs from the perfect sphereball my body would compose. i am starving myself and walking miles every day, my diet resembles a goat's, and i am finally at a good weight. if my more metabolismally-favored friends were to do the same, they would resembe a somalian.
asian thinness being mostly social? please. not only are they thin, they are slight. look at the girly teenage boys you see walking around. they cannot build muscle, and have a damn hard time building fat.
obesity and metabolism can be modified, but it falls into the same genetic category as those things that cannot. height. boob size. doodle size. we know those things vary from race to race and from person to person, and we cant pretend we have control over them. obesity and metabolism we have a little control over, so we pretend we have full control over them.
humans are controlled by genetics a lot more than they would like to, in their dependence on equality and democracy and responsibility, flatter themselves to believe. many of our very personalities and thoughts (what some may call, at least parts of, our souls) are controlled by genetics. why then not these physical things?
boils down to, yes we can control it, but for some being thin is like having to do a pushup every day, and for others it is like having to roll a 3 ton rock up a bumpy hill.
so we cant keep holding everyone to the same moral accountabilty, as if one pound = one moral failure. and that is what koreans and hollywood do, to bring the point round. |
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batman

Joined: 24 Jan 2003 Location: Oh so close to where I want to be
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 6:35 am Post subject: |
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| Kain067 wrote: |
asian thinness being mostly social? please. not only are they thin, they are slight. look at the girly teenage boys you see walking around. they cannot build muscle, and have a damn hard time building fat.
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I don't know if they can't build muscles or just plain won't. I once taught a English to a class of Korean body builders. And they were big. Well defined, they looked good. But there is a culture and tradition working against the idea of physical activity here. Remember confusionism preaches against walking fast (ever notice the number of heel draggers here?) and other forms of physical exertion. The ideal here is one of intellect not one of action. |
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crazylemongirl

Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Location: almost there...
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 6:47 am Post subject: |
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Hey guys my comment was directed at the general frustation of guys who come of here and complain about all western women in korea being fat slobs. I don't discount that there are fat women in korea but if you look at the general attuide of the board (in the past not so bad at the moment) you'd think that there were brad pitts typing away at the keyboard while gwenth palatoro in a fat suit typed away at the other part.
As for the topic. I think moving here puts a bit lifestyle change on it. I don't eat western fast food if I'm looking for a quick bite to eat, I would rather eat bibimbap or mandu guk. Others who don't take to korean food probably eat more junk food then they would back home.
In the end I think that the obession of obesity should be on getting people healthy. Sure there are plenty of sticks here, and plenty of overweight people back in the west. But what do they have in common? They can't walk 2 flights of stairs without getting breathless. That is a sign that neither of them is particularly healthy.
I think as long as people eat a balanced diet with regular exercise, then that's cool whether they are a size 0 or a size 16. The most important thing is that they are healthy. |
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the_beaver

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| you'd think that there were brad pitts typing away at the keyboard |
I got called Brad Pitt just the other day. . . heh heh.
Anyway, walked into McD's last night with my head held high and as I was scanning for cheeseburgers I noticed that they are now selling all kinds of salad things and pita sandwich things -- might not be as bad as it was (I still ordered a couple of burgers, though). |
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mishlert

Joined: 13 Mar 2003 Location: On the 3rd rock from the sun
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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I was living in Florence, Italy once and knew the owners of a hostel.
Well, one day I went to Mc Donalds (no shame) and ordered a meal deal and went to see one of the owners. As I was talking to him, in Italian, a guest looked at my bag and said, "Oh yeah, now that's REAL Italian food."
I looked at him smirking and replied, "I live here."
Well, his smirk was gone in less than a second, and just as fast he walked out the door.
That episode always sticks in my mind because people like him go around hoping to make you feel ashamed for having gone to a fast food restaurant in a foreign land. Of course, in my opinion, as soon as they get back home, off they go to Arbys, Wendy's, Burger King, etc and justifying it to themselves that they are home so it's not the same; it's OK. |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| mishlert wrote: |
I was living in Florence, Italy once and knew the owners of a hostel.
Well, one day I went to Mc Donalds (no shame) and ordered a meal deal and went to see one of the owners. As I was talking to him, in Italian, a guest looked at my bag and said, "Oh yeah, now that's REAL Italian food."
I looked at him smirking and replied, "I live here."
Well, his smirk was gone in less than a second, and just as fast he walked out the door. |
Mishlert,
I would never say what that guy said to you. First, I don't care what strangers eat, second, I occasionally eat Western fast-food here in Korea myself, but most of all, third, what impudence!
But even if I'd been that little prik with his little prikky attitude, I wouldn't have let you off the hook just because you said you "lived there." I mean, why should that excuse you? And how is he to know that isn't your regular lunch/dinner?
It's like you're saying, tourists & newbies should go strictly Italian because they're only there for a short time, but long-term foreign residents like you should be forgiven the occasional Big Mac because, hey, we all know that ya gotta have that Big Mac fix now & then.
I don't buy that. In fact, I'd tend to cut slack for any tourist (especially in Korea) if they punctuated the new, utterly weird, spicy-hot, unpronounceable Korean dishes with a daily visit to BK or McDonalds. Their stomaches simply don't have enough time to adjust or adapt.
Long-term foreign residents, however, I'd probably hold to a much more critical standard. I'm not saying long-termers have to go 100% native to avoid being branded as unreconstructed so-and-sos. But people who live here years and literally can't handle Korea without a weekly fix of Western junk-food? Sheesh! (oh man, is this ever gonna get me flamed by lazy readers who don't realise I'm playing Devil's advocate...)
Again, Mislert, I don't personally think there's anything wrong with you eating McD's in Florence or Korea or in the US, and I liked how you shut the little prik up. Just saying, it wouldn't've worked on me had I been the little prik... (which I'd never be)
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 2:37 am Post subject: |
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>. I'm not ashamed, i just rarely go. Like once every 6 months ... for an ice-cream ... maybe
Starbucks even less  |
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The Great Toad
Joined: 12 Jun 2004
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