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My boss has decided to "keep" my transcript: Help!
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Juggertha



Joined: 27 May 2003
Location: Anyang, Korea

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Probably a more apt analogy would be if a guy had taken the wrapper from my hamburger that I'd already eaten. In that case, I'd shake my head, laugh, and get on with my life.

But everyone has their priorities, I guess.


The thing is.. your right. we all have different priorities. You may value your burger wrapper while others may not. You may value your transcripts while others may not.

The point is.. they are his. No one has the right ... strike that, his boss does not have the right to keep them. period.

now what he can do about it is another matter.
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pecan



Joined: 01 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:31 pm    Post subject: Unreal Reply with quote

What planet are you guys on?

If you sent out your resume, would you expect it to be returned?

It sounds more like you are looking to cause trouble, instead of sincerely finding a solution.

I definitely do not get your logic on this one.

The transcript is worthless now that it has been opened, so you want it back because it used to be worth something?

Why don't you get new transcripts and ask your reference for another copy of the letter?

I take it that $5 and a couple minutes of your time is too much, though it would solve your problem without conflict?

You might not be able to see the forest for the trees on this one, so take a step back and realize how easy this would be to solve without the loss of face.

Nut

If it were your degree, it would be a different story.
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Rather_Dashing



Joined: 07 Sep 2004

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me get this straight:

He is concerned about a transcript?

It's a piece of paper with his grades on it. It's not even "official" once his boss opened the envelope (official just means sent and sealed by his university). The "official" transcript, if he got it back, is just as valuable as going on the internet and printing one off.

The document is not his. It belongs to his employer, and they can do whatever the hell they want with it. The employer has no obligation of any kind to give it back.

Rapier, let it go. You're making a mountain out of a molehill here...
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Hagwon Muppet



Joined: 18 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The last two posters got it spot on....

You GAVE him documents to get a job and he returned the only one that was valuable.

If you went for a 'real' job in the 'real' world then they would receive references, resume, maybe a few other things too and you'd get none of them back either.... nobody would expect them.

I don't know why some people make it their lives work to cause fights with their bosses ... he's paying you? your teaching life is OK? Only problem is that he has a worthless piece of paper that you gave him?

Boo hoo for you.

Why do you want the transcript anyway? As so many people have pointed out its not worth anything now that its unsealed.
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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A teacher should always have a list of his or her students parents and their phone numbers. What you do with it is your business...hint hint.
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Hobophobic



Joined: 16 Aug 2004
Location: Sinjeong negorie mokdong oh ga ri samgyup sal fighting

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:52 pm    Post subject: immigration/transcripts Reply with quote

not sure if this helps but an Aussie couple needed their transcripts back and the school said they didn't have them...so after some tension they found they were at the immigration office in Omokgyo...I went with them and remember if you go in the front doors...up the stairs they are in a smaller office to the right....took them 20 minutes to snatch them up...don't get a number...just go korean style to the first cube, there was a nice korean fellow eager to practice his English...imagine!....they had been put in a hole punched file folder, but otherwise unscathed...cheers
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The transcript is worthless now that it has been opened, so you want it back because it used to be worth something?


^Quite true! If I were you I wouldn't worry about it! Just request a new one (have it sent directly to the new job) for 2 or 3 bucks and then tell your old boss..."thanks for the hand job" Shocked
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BEERS ALL ROUND!!!
snapped him like a twig...I threatened the labor board and police...Magicly, my documents appeared!!
His face saving way out (which I allowed him) was that he'd lost them, but only just refound them today..
So, thanks for all your suggestions and encouragement..Its smiles all round!!!
In addition, he offered to write me an excellent reccomendation.
And, he'll know not to cause any problems when it comes to severance.

Nobody messes with Rapier Wink


Last edited by rapier on Wed Sep 15, 2004 1:26 am; edited 1 time in total
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canukteacher



Joined: 21 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember once a transcript is open it is no longer official. For it to be considered official the seal must still be on the envelope. Most say that right on the front.

You can always request another transcript. It is the degree you have to worry about. Make sure you have that back.

CT
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The interesting thing to note here is how the average director will do a rapid turnaround once he sees you are serious about contacting the labor board with a good argument.
And, although many Koreans seem to hold the belief that your certificates become their legal property the moment you give them over, its not true at all..the only documents they actually require to hold for five years are those issued by immigration. Your documents are your own legal property and should be returned to you upon request, expect them back- don't give them up for lost.
So, don't suffer in silence people..
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J.B. Clamence



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ladyandthetramp wrote:
Those who claim that their transcripts are "unofficial" once out of the sealed envelope, I'm wondering whether your transcripts bear an official university seal (stamp, if you will). I just know I could walk into my student services offices and have 10 "official" transcripts printed up and handed to me in minutes. They never placed them in sealed envelopes.


Since the university is giving your transcripts directly to you, they probably figure they don't need to be official, so they give them to you without the envelope (unofficial). If you needed an official transcript, you would most likely ask them to send it directly to whomever you needed to send it to. In that case, it would be sealed in an envelope (sealed). If you want an official copy in an envelope to keep yourself, you may have to specifically ask them to put it in an envelope since they're not doing that already.

My transcripts both have university seals on them, but the envelopes on both say they are unofficial if opened. The seal isn't what makes it official: it's the fact that it couldn't have been tampered with (ie - unopened) that makes it official.
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hahaha!!get this!!!

Last night the wjnim kept all Korean teachers behind after work to tell them he required them to hand over their diplomas for his safekeeping..the supervisor, acting as the tool of God, kept his side. Which is why after her vehemently saying I had no right to get my documents back, she was amazed when the director caved in and returned them to me.
She has been unable to look me in the face all day out of embarrasment, and actually pulled me aside to apologise, saying she felt stupid. I almost feel sorry for her.
Hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!! Laughing
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Rather_Dashing



Joined: 07 Sep 2004

PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good work, you spent a bunch of personal time you'll never get back trying to obtain worthless documents.

gg.

Confused
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inkoreaforgood



Joined: 15 Dec 2003
Location: Inchon

PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rather_Dashing wrote:
Good work, you spent a bunch of personal time you'll never get back trying to obtain worthless documents.

gg.

Confused


I think you missed a very good point of Rapier's. He's coming to the end of his contract, and the boss is messing around over some documents that have little value to the boss. Ever think that the boss is testing Rapier, trying to figure out how much he can cheat him? Severance pay, last month's salary, airplane fare, that's what all this really means. Not transcripts and a reference letter. That's just the first round, and Rapier wins by a knock out!! Good going Rapier!!!
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Gord



Joined: 25 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

inkoreaforgood wrote:
I think you missed a very good point of Rapier's. He's coming to the end of his contract, and the boss is messing around over some documents that have little value to the boss. Ever think that the boss is testing Rapier, trying to figure out how much he can cheat him? Severance pay, last month's salary, airplane fare, that's what all this really means. Not transcripts and a reference letter. That's just the first round, and Rapier wins by a knock out!! Good going Rapier!!!


I disagree. Example: Let's say one of my employees at my old store after working for me for a year came up and said "ya... can I get my resume and cover letter back?", I would be "uh... what?" Granted, I would probably still have it somewhere, but I wouldn't want to go looking for it if it was filed in a box along with 500 other documents from the previous year.

Though if the person pulled the same stunt that Rapier did, I would have laughed and asked if working in a game store broke their mind or something.

I could see going to the wall over something of value, but to argue so passionately over something of no value makes little sense in normal circumstances. And I noticed that Rapier has not addressed the repeated claims made about the document now being worthless. Two leading theories being that the document is unreplacable for some curious reason possibly related to his colourful past of skipping responsibilities, or perhaps because he actually thought it was worth something and couldn't turn back once he realized it was worthless because he would have "lost face" and believed it would have put other financial rewards at risk.
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