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Manner of Speaking

Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:41 am Post subject: Re: yes |
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| Ilsanman wrote: |
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I think the key point is to avoid the negative types, teacher or otherwise. After my first year I started to become wary of other foreigners because they all were so negative, complained about their money probems, wanted to borrow money...want to steal your privates...some of them were even into POACHING your girlfriend(!). They tend to get together in small groups in bars, and all that crankiness and negativity kind of ferments. Then they go back to their jobs and pick a fight with their bosses. I tend now to be a little wary of other foreigners.
But I'm not anti-foreigner, just anti-negative people. I find I meet the nicest people when I take a package tour to China or someplace, or go to a teacher's conference (KOTESOL, etc.). Those are great chances to meet emotionally healthy, positive people who are really enjoying Korea and are into what they are doing. |
I know all about the poaching of girlfriends. I had a bottle in my hand but I wasn't drunk enough to smash it over his head and slit his throat, that little *beep*.
I stopped taking my girlfriend to any places with many westerners. I just kept those 2 parts of my life separate. Occasionally, I prefer the company of westerners, but not much. |
There you go. Trust me, I sympathize. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:43 am Post subject: Re: why do you stay? |
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. But for those whose contracts have been up many times over and continue to stay and complain I have to ask: Why to you continue to stay? If it is so bad and you hate the people, food, customs, culture, COUNTRY...then why don't you go somewhere where you'd be happier? This is what confuses me.
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It all boils down to the fact that (a) they are unemployable back home or (b) they can't find a job that pays as much for as few hours (30-/week) |
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HamuHamu
Joined: 01 May 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:57 am Post subject: |
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For me what a lot of it comes down to is the lack of vacation time....
Before you come, you're told you have 10 days plus National Holidays....you think "No problem, that's 2 weeks....that's all I get at home, too...."
You get here, and all the National Holidays fall on a weekend, and unlike "back home," you don't get Monday off to make up for it. And, "Ten days" means, a few days here, a few days there....and all when the hagwan director decides, and all at a time when all other Koreans are travelling, too, so you can't get out of the country (or if you can, it's an entire paycheck for one short holiday...) And you maybe kinda forget that the week at Christmas you get back home in addition to your 2 weeks, is nonexistent here...
Teaching 8 hours a day 50 weeks of the year = BURNOUT!!!!!! You can't take a sick day, you can't take an unpaid week off because you really feel the need to go home for whatever reason, you can't even beg off work an hour early for what-ever important reason you may have.....
I think that is a big reason why foreign students here may not be as "grumpy" as teachers are...at least forme, if every day, every week, every month wasn't THE SAME OLD THING I wouldn't be as fed-up...
Add in the fact that a lot of hagwan contracts say you will work say 100 hours, with everything else being overtime, Western way of thinking means that is 100 hours. Arrive here and find out that you HAVE to teach 115 hours (or whatever) and you have no choice....forced overtime..not a concept that I can relate to being from Canada....I assumed overtime was MY CHOICE.
And factor in the fact that so many of us feel "trapped" by our contracts, that we have that feeling of "I CAN'T leave, even if I want too..."
For me, if I didn't feel that I HAD to stick it out for a year, and I could get a little more "free time," Korea wouldn't be so bad...... |
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sistersarah
Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Location: hiding out
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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 5:04 am Post subject: |
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Teaching 8 hours a day 50 weeks of the year = BURNOUT!!!!!! You can't take a sick day, you can't take an unpaid week off because you really feel the need to go home for whatever reason, you can't even beg off work an hour early for what-ever important reason you may have.....
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preach it loud
seriously, this is why i can't come back and work in a hogwan. this is the only reason. i get burnt out so quickly. and so i complain. |
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SuperHero

Joined: 10 Dec 2003 Location: Superhero Hideout
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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Zyzyfer wrote: |
| I try to stay away or ignore the overly negative people. It's nice to be able to complain about something once in a while, but my situation is pretty damn sweet, so after the 10th conversation about how Korea sucks, I get bored. |
Amen Brother! |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 7:36 am Post subject: |
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Do I feel bitter sometimes? Are teachers bitter?
Heck yah!
If you want to start loading up on things to be bitter about there's no lack of real annoyances, injustices, bla bla bla.
There are so real and unjust they will drive one bonkers, and curl one into a twisted, and bitter individual.
So it's there.
Go around it. Drop it. Put it all down.
And do the opposite, create. Get the creativity thing going so there's enough self-esteem and magic to make these big, bad, REAL factors 'unimportant'.
They'll uplift you when the going get rough and you look around. There's some nitwit racists everywhere calling you a pabo, they're everywhere, and I'm here in this school and the kids don't respect me, bla bla bla.
It's garbage, low self-esteem thinking but it can get very real at times.
Kids test you sometimes. Some Koreans test you sometimes. Everybody seems to be coming at you sometimes, testing you.
And bitterness isn't a strength that's going to back you up in those moments. It'll just make you militant with some kind of conspiracy theory and ready to go ballistic, kamikaze, and boot on home.
Yes, I'm bitter about stuff. But harbouring and cultivating it isn't an asset or going to get me anywhere. Just under somebody's thumb, with me their squirming pet.
I'd rather be light footed and fancy free. It's my mind and I can make it shine with the happiness that is my 'home' and right. |
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Pyongshin Sangja

Joined: 20 Apr 2003 Location: I love baby!
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 7:38 am Post subject: |
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She's right.
Good post.
Dudes, broaden that horizon. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99

Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Location: ...Enlightenment...
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 7:48 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Kirk wrote: |
I'd rather be light footed and fancy free. It's my mind and I can make it shine with the happiness that is my 'home' and right.
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rawiri

Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Location: Lovely day for a fire drill.
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 7:49 am Post subject: |
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yep.....sage advice....takes a lot of work to break out of the negativity cycle though...actuallt thats where EXERCISE plays such a huge part...i can't stress that enough.
"Emanciapte yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds". |
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kiwiboy_nz_99

Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Location: ...Enlightenment...
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| Rawiri wrote: |
| "Emanciapte yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds". |
Feel it in de one drop ...
And we still got time to rock ... |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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i think it's all about the person.
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Yes!!
Adaptability. |
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bundaegi

Joined: 05 Aug 2004 Location: Murfreesboro, TN
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Fabulous post Captain Kirk... I think if one can temper the elements as CK has with that perspective than one could do anything, think of Korea as your proving ground for your evolution as a person capable of anything |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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Do not just keep your optimistic views for foreigners. Do not be so selfish. Please remember to tell Koreans to be positive.
Do You Need Therapy?
"Koreans tend to think the problem is caused by someone else, that it does not lie within the Self," Professor Chey Jean-yung said. Just about every Korean suffers from soul-deadening mental, physical or emotional tiredness. "But first of all we must do complete self-examination. Our history testifies that Korean people have lacked serious self-examination," Professor Rhee Dong-shick explained. Due to political hard times, dirty money and competition people feel that they are not being treated nicely.
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/culture/200403/kt2004031817153511680.htm
Giving Birth Abroad
A home shopping network offers "emigration packages" and gets sold out, while "emigration fairs" are standing room only. When private tutoring fees are a major burden on household finances, when you're going to be unemployed even as a university graduate, and when having a job still leaves you feeling insecure, then of course people aren't going to want to live in Korea. If people believe that today's a trial and tomorrow you'll only be more drained, then the "escape Korea syndrome" will be unstoppable.
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200309/200309210026.html
Suicide Rate Grows Fastest in OECD
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200406/kt2004060414532510220.htm |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
Do You Need Therapy?
"Koreans tend to think the problem is caused by someone else, that it does not lie within the Self" |
The pot calling the kettle black. |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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I whine a bit, yeah, but for real complaining about Koreans being Korean- check out some of the blogs of Koreans who lived abroad and returned.  |
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