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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian

PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 4:50 pm    Post subject: Lock your dogs at night, here's why... Reply with quote

I found this in the news today.
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200409/kt2004091722065612070.htm

It comes to show you that it would be best to lock your dogs up at night in the house and not outside. So the next time your dog is missing, just go to the local BoShinTang restaurant.
the sad part was that for the 3 dudes, it was a 80 million won dinner for them. I hope it was worth it.

Just Kidding, trying to bring a lil' humor to the forum....

But seriously, has anyone tried it?


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Pyongshin Sangja



Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!

PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The police sought an arrest warrant for the three, but it was rejected. However, Lee said he would file a civil suit to get the money back.


Rejected? Stealing a dog, killing it and eating it is just fine?

Wait, forgot where I was.

No, I haven't tried it.
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not shocked about the dog being stolen. It happens all the time. What's shocking is that the association claims the dog is worth 70 to 80 million won simply because its pedigree can be traced for 5 generations. Only 5 generations and it's worth 70 to 80 million won? Nonsense. If it was a champion show dog, maybe. 5 generations is unimpressive when considering the fact dogs can be bread when they are less than 2 years old.
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase



Joined: 04 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hollywoodaction wrote:
I'm not shocked about the dog being stolen. It happens all the time.


I now challenge anyone to place boshintang on the glorious cultural pedestal far above (tacky yet legal) Western fast food chains.
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regardless of the fate of the dog, you must admit dogs get stolen quite regurlarly.
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase



Joined: 04 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hollywoodaction wrote:
Regardless of the fate of the dog, you must admit dogs get stolen quite regurlarly.


I don't blame you at all for being the messenger. If what you're saying is true, then that lowers boshintang a few rungs down the ladder of cultural significance.

While I have no desire to try boshintang, I'm willing to forgive an organized, morally consistent farming method that does not rely on deliberate torture.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to the Korean Society for the Protection of Animals, Koreans do go around in neighborhoods, find "edible" dogs, steal them and sell them for their meat. If you have a large dog with you in Korea, lock it up and keep it inside. It may be stolen, as dog meat is very profitable. Because dog meat is expensive, the people in rural areas raise and kill the dogs themselves; or steal them.
http://www.seoulsearching.com/DogMeat.html

Many dogs that are eaten are in fact abandoned or stolen pets of all breeds. In the markets we have seen German Shepherds, Saint Bernards, Pugs, Dalmatians, and Yorkshire Terriers.
http://www.koreananimals.org/embassy.htm

Korean Society for the Protection of Animals
http://www.koreananimals.org/dogs_p3.htm

Dog skin is also thought to be delicious.
http://www.koreananimals.org/dogs_p17.htm

The Korean Government's strategy to defend dog meat as "our food culture" is a blatant revision of history that damages Korea's image abroad. Dogs were never a dietary tradition in Korea's long history; even during desperate times they were only the vice of older men seeking to enhance their sexual potency. Cats have only been consumed in tonics since the 1980s. Greed, loss of wild life, and fraudulent health benefits brought them to market. This amendment tells us that many more animals will continue to be killed for fraudulent health foods like dog-stew-viagra and cat-juice-tonic, whose alleged benefits depend on torture, steroids, and narcotics. The Korean Government's deceitful diplomatic solution questions their level of commitment to responsible and just animal protection laws, as well for decent consumer fraud and health protection.
http://www.koreananimals.org/amendment_background.htm
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Ryst Helmut



Joined: 26 Apr 2003
Location: In search of the elusive signature...

PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hollywoodaction wrote:
Regardless of the fate of the dog, you must admit dogs get stolen quite regurlarly.


Yes, they do, and I've first-hand experience.

As many on this board can vouch, I own several thousand pyoung of land, of which live(d) several 'large' dogs. So I thought unchaining them and building a pen/run for them would be swell....swell for the dog theifs.

Ba$tard$.

No, these were not pure breeds...no money is selling them, unless for meat (as Koreans call them ddong-gae Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Mad Evil or Very Mad Rolling Eyes Mad If they only understood why dogs eat feces. So yes, they were stolen for consumption.

!Shoosh

Ryst
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hollywoodaction wrote:
I'm not shocked about the dog being stolen. It happens all the time.


I now challenge anyone to place boshintang on the glorious cultural pedestal far above (tacky yet legal) Western fast food chains.


Well, I'm the biggest fast food junkie around here, give me Burger King over kimchee any day. But even I'd have to admit that dog meat is probably healthier than a whopper. So yeah, I'd rate it higher.

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I'm willing to forgive an organized, morally consistent farming method that does not rely on deliberate torture.


Animals get tortured all the time by scientists. Sure, it's for a better cause than boshingtang, but do you really think the animal cares why he's being tortured?

In response to the question: yes, I ate it for the first time a few weeks back. Didn't much care for it.
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Hollywoodaction



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would it change the way you feel about dog meat if the dogs were treated humanely? I'd still think it's unappetizing, but that's just me. But, until they realise that erectile disfunction can't be cured by eating dog or any other animals (quiting smoking and drinking, on the other hand...), I'll be happy that it draws some attention away from what's left of the Korean wildlife.

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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian

PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the US, there was a shortage of beef, so what did they do?.....horse.
What we consider food in one place would be considered something else in another (like the all-sacred "cow" of India)

I tried Gaegogi 2 times (boshintang and gaegogi ramen) and unlucky for me, I got sick for 3 days from eating it.
It's healthy, just alittle too much for my stomach to handle.
and like some of you, what chokes me is that the guy was saying that because the dog is a 5th generation "purebreed", he is worth 80 million won. I think he should remove about 5 zeros from the number to show its true value.

I have a joke about it....
One time I was walking around Itaewon and I saw a few missing dog posters in English. Well, underneath some of them, people wrote sly comments like;
1. Go to ����Ĵ� (Jong-Dae Diner) to find your dog, ajumma is cooking it now.
or
2. My mother cooked it for breakfast~ m-m good!
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Hollywoodaction



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember reading somewhere that some kennel clubs won't even consider an animal purebred unless its predigree can be traced at least 5 generations back.

That's funny. They give it to recovering patients. The common explanation for this is that dogs are close to humans, so the meat is supposedly easier to digest. Pigs are closer relatives to humans than dogs.

I'd say dog isn't safe. You have no way of knowing if the dog was healthy, or how it died. As far as I know, there isn't any government control on the quality of the meat since dog meat is illegal. I remember reading an article several years ago about the arrest of a guy for selling dog meat to restaurants (enough for 500 000 portions) from dogs that had been used in medical research. He had been contracted to do by several research laboratories to destroy the carcases of dead laboratory animals.
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HamuHamu



Joined: 01 May 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

80 million won? I say that's about right for Korea.

I mean, aren't ALL prices ridiculously inflated here?
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kimchikowboy



Joined: 24 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hollywoodaction wrote:
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dogs can be bread when they are less than 2 years old


Boshinbhang? I know about the soup, but how do you make bread?

Ryst Helmut wrote:

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If they only understood why dogs eat feces


I'll bite (no pun intended). Why DO dogs eat feces?
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kimchikowboy wrote,
"I'll bite (no pun intended). Why DO dogs eat feces?"

Coprophagia is a very maternal behavior. A bitch with a litter of nursing pups will keep the whelping box clean and free of excrement by eating it. (Share that one with a parent who complains about having to change a dirty diaper.) Mordecai Siegal and Matthew Margolis in their book entitled 'When Good Dogs Do Bad Things' state that coprophagia is more commonly seen in hunting, working and herding breeds.

There are several other factors that result in coprophagia. It is seen in dogs who are hyper, out of control, and who appear to be immature in nature. These dogs may engage in stool eating simply because they have nothing else to do and they are driven to keeping themselves busy. There is also an environmental component to this behavior. Dogs who have been raised in filthy environments are likely to eat feces simply because they have a need to be rid of the excrement. It becomes a habitual behavior for them. There is a theory that some particularly dominant dogs will eat other dogs' stoolin order to remove it, and therefore remove other dogs' presence. This is because excrement is one way in which dogs mark territory.
The Pet Professor: Why Some Dogs Eat Feces
http://www.thepetprofessor.com/secArticles/dog/dogs_eating_poop.asp
Note: The bitch means a female dog.

Coprophagia in the Canine
Coprophagia is defined as the consumption of feces by an animal and is a common complaint of owners to their veterinarians. Since there has been little research done on this particular behavior, the veterinarian is usually poorly equipped to give a recommendation to the owner. This study is intended to provide epidemiological information about the incidence of the behavior in the canine population, the age of onset, age of disappearance, and various other pieces of information crucial to form a basis from which to study this very important behavior.

Coprophagia may result due to various medical problems. Primary among them are exocrine pancreatic insufficiency, pancreatitis, intestinal infections, malabsorptive syndromes, and over-feeding (especially high fat content diets).
http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/pets/_archive/study.htm

Coprohagia is the technical term for eating feces.
http://www.vetinfo.com/deatpoop.html

Coprophagia - the unfortunately palatable truth
http://www.understandinganimals.com/article/3
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