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Fellow foreigners being shady
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Manner of Speaking



Joined: 09 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Patong Dong wrote:
And the logic behind the argument that you wouldn't talk to them back home is somewhat flawed. If you are on a plane or train and the person next to you starts to chat do you ask them to please stop as you are not familiar with them from home? We do have something in common here, regardless if you want to be left alone because you don't want anyone to expose the fact you're in reality a misfit, we are at the least foreigners.

No, but many's the time I've pretended to go to sleep, put on a pair of headphones or buried my nose in a book because I didn't want to be disturbed.

Back in Canada, I had a good friend who did policy work for Fisheries and Oceans Canada; we rode the same bus together, and as he was always very busy he would frequently ask me if I wouldn't mind if we didn't talk the rest of the way home as he had some work to do. He'd crack open his briefcase and work, didn't bother me in the slightest.

No, I DON'T feel like I have something in common with someone, just because I'm a 'foreigner'. Teachers, maybe. Someone from my hometown, maybe. Which is why I make my friends at conferences or Korean language classes. It's up to *me* to decide who I have something in common with, not up to anybody else.

And once again, you've made the assumption that if someone doesn't want to talk to you, they're AUTOMATICALLY misfits. I can't think of anything more chauvinistic or conceited.


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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gregarious Monk wrote:
Please sh*t all over me, I've become a preacher.


Not into German Nun and Priest Scat videos but thanks for the offer.
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Swiss James



Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manner Of Speaking wrote:
he would frequently ask me if I wouldn't mind if we didn't talk the rest of the way home as he had some work to do. He'd crack open his briefcase and work, didn't bother me in the slightest.


When someone would rather work on an urgent Pilchard fishing policy than chit-chat, well, I hate to be the one to break it to you, but you're the guy all the non hello-ers are trying to avoid.
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Patong Dong



Joined: 06 May 2003
Location: On Nut

PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manner of Speaking:

No, I DON'T feel like I have something in common with someone, just because I'm a 'foreigner'. Teachers, maybe. Someone from my hometown, maybe. Which is why I make my friends at conferences or Korean language classes. It's up to *me* to decide who I have something in common with, not up to anybody else.

And once again, you've made the assumption that if someone doesn't want to talk to you, they're AUTOMATICALLY misfits. I can't think of anything more chauvinistic or conceited.

Are you drunk? We are talking about a GREETING. No one is asking you to make sweet, sweet love to any foreigner you stumble across. If I see a foreigner in my path I say "hello". I don't hold them gently and whisper "I simply MUST paint you" I don't cross the street and chase them down and suggest we do a pied piper and all the foreigners can go skipping across the land. I GREET them. I cannot imagine that someone would think about it enough and put so much thought into saying hi.

And no, I would not say hi back home but, and this is the simple part, I am not back home. I also don't look furtively over my shoulders when crossing on a green back home, but damn straight I do here.
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OiGirl



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun

PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_beaver wrote:
I was thinking about this thread today as I was going up an escalator. Some white guy was coming down and I had a mental battle -- what do I do? I saw him but he didn't make eye contact so obviously there was no opportunity to say 'hi.' I was thinking about the helloing folks on this board and I wondered how they'd handle it.

I would have looked at him until he went by. If he ever made eye contact, I would give a smile and a "hey." If he didn't, I'd go on with my life.

But you have to do what you feel comfortable with.
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The Evil Clown



Joined: 10 May 2004

PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swiss James wrote:
Paton Dong wrote:
If you are on a plane or train and the person next to you starts to chat do you ask them to please stop as you are not familiar with them from home?


No cos that's rude, but I put my headphones on at the first available break in conversation.
If you're sat next to someone for 10 hours and there's a chance they could be a) a nutter, b) very dull or c) a spitter- then I'd rather just not take the chance and watch the film instead.


*beep* that shit. I was on an 11 hour flight to the Philippines one fine day and the first thing out of the guy's mouth next to me was "Hi, I'm Steven and I'm a Christian missionary."

Me - "Hi Steve, please don't say another word to me for this entire flight."

He shut the hell up and sat in uncomfortable, Jesus free, silence.

Proximity and being of the same race do not a real friendship make. Why bother? I'd prefer not to take the chance. Who knows though, I may be losing out on a lasting friendship with some soap salesman from Dayton(BARF!).

I could also be setting myself up to get my throat slit in the washroom after being gangraped by Pastor Steven's snakehandling Canadian congregation.

Now if Steven was a huge tittied fluffer-type I would probably make small talk, while trying to conceal my throbbing erection with my tray table.
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Manner of Speaking



Joined: 09 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swiss James wrote:
Manner Of Speaking wrote:
he would frequently ask me if I wouldn't mind if we didn't talk the rest of the way home as he had some work to do. He'd crack open his briefcase and work, didn't bother me in the slightest.

When someone would rather work on an urgent Pilchard fishing policy than chit-chat, well, I hate to be the one to break it to you, but you're the guy all the non hello-ers are trying to avoid.


We both worked in the same building, and ran into each other at least 4 times a day. So no, I don't think so, pecker-breath.
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Manner of Speaking



Joined: 09 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Patong Dong wrote:
Manner of Speaking wrote:

And once again, you've made the assumption that if someone doesn't want to talk to you, they're AUTOMATICALLY misfits. I can't think of anything more chauvinistic or conceited.

Are you drunk? We are talking about a GREETING. No one is asking you to...bla bla bla

DUDE,


you said, "We do have something in common here, regardless if you want to be left alone because you don't want anyone to expose the fact you're in reality a misfit..."


You assume that EVERYBODY who doesn't say hello when you do is AUTOMATICALLY a misfit and a social cripple. That's superficial, shallow, ignorant, and conceited.


You're judging people that you know absolutely nothing about.


GET OVER YOURSELF.
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Cedar



Joined: 11 Mar 2003
Location: In front of my computer, again.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been here a long time:

Knee-jerk reaction:
Foreigners who say hello are friendly. I feel that if they were heading the same way, maybe we'd walk together for a couple minutes and have inane conversation which COULD lead to exchange of valuable information or future friendship. Then again they could be weird, but if I was the most normal person from America I surely wouldn't have stayed here this long. I've made some good friends in Korea by not cold shouldering other foreigners on the street.
Koreans who say hello are English vampires on the prowl or not interested in saying more than hello. If they do talk to me, it's the EXACT same as the first conversation class of the term. There is no meaningful connection. They aren't going to tell me something about them that's going to make me hope to be their new best friend... it's just going to be EXACTLY like work. I don't want to work on the street, subway and bus, thank you very much. And the ones who just say hello and then giggle at their own daring? Puhhh-lease!
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Apple Scruff



Joined: 29 Oct 2003

PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just took a stroll down to KFC and encountered exactly eight foreigners (all White folks) on the way there. Two of them I know, and are cool. Three of them were women, and all three easily topped 200 lbs (nobody can deny that there is an inordinant number of humongous foreign women here. If you deny this, you are blind and probably fat, too). Two were total dorks with cute Korean girlfriends (real perceptive, ladies!). And one was easily the creepiest looking fellow I have ever encountered, in Korea or otherwise. He looked like the lovechild of Bette Davis and the Elephant Man.

We foreigners are most certainly a shady bunch. A fat, dorky, shady bunch.

Except me. I'm beautiful.
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Patong Dong



Joined: 06 May 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manner of Speaking,
Yes, if someone says "hello" to you and you do not respond you are a misfit. It does not warrant deep pondering, it's "hello" and you're on your way. Why do you keep trying to bring it back to being their friend? no one is saying that, it's "hello".

There are people here that speak Korean, eat Korean, have Korean partners, so they figure they shouldn't say hello to you because they are not strangers in a strange land. That is not true, no matter what you do you will ALWAYS be considered a foreigner here, I buy my garbage bags in English and you buy them in Korean, guess what? The ajumma considers both you and I to be foreigners, like it or not.

That foreigner factor is enough for me to say hello when I pass a foreigner on the street, simple. Your over reactions and anger suggest there are other issues at work here.
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Patong Dong



Joined: 06 May 2003
Location: On Nut

PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manner of Speaking,
Yes, if someone says "hello" to you and you do not respond you are a misfit. It does not warrant deep pondering, it's "hello" and you're on your way. Why do you keep trying to bring it back to being their friend? no one is saying that, it's "hello".

There are people here that speak Korean, eat Korean, have Korean partners, so they figure they shouldn't say hello to you because they are not strangers in a strange land. That is not true, no matter what you do you will ALWAYS be considered a foreigner here, I buy my garbage bags in English and you buy them in Korean, guess what? The ajumma considers both you and I to be foreigners, like it or not.

That foreigner factor is enough for me to say hello when I pass a foreigner on the street, simple. Your over reactions and anger suggest there are other issues at work here.
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dogbert



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I nodded to a white guy today and he nodded in return. How's that for a compromise?
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ratslash



Joined: 08 May 2003

PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

welcome to korea dude! where fellow white man is as friendly as a does of syphillis!

you will learn, as i did (unless she is a complete babe of course, then it is worth the risk, but foreign babes are rare!!!) saying hello, or even acknowledging a fellow white man on the streets is a complete waste of time!!! best bet, wait until the acknowledge you.

towards the end, i did go back to nodding my head and flashing a smile and then looking away. that way i didn't see whether they replied so i couldn't be annoyed that they didn't if i didn't see if they didn't!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everybody is special. Oh so special.
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