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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:28 pm    Post subject: Do you practice defensive walking in Seoul? Reply with quote

I've found with the large number of cyclists, motorcyclists, and car drivers on the sidewalk you have to practice defensive walking.

My main trick is sticking to the "tree line". If the sidewalk has trees, slalom in and out of them. Most cyclists give trees a wide berth mostly because they're surrounded by bumpy uneven metal grates.

Also use the unnatural geography to plot safer paths. For example walk towards a newspaper stand or food cart. This way no vehicles will be coming at you and those coming up behind you will probably already be over to the right to zip around.

Also, you never become so aware and thankful of your peripheral vision when you walk the sidewalks of Seoul. Use it at all times. Use it especially if you're about to make any sudden moves to the right or left. Always turn your head to take a small look back too.

When you approach driveways, streets, and alleys, always slow down, poke your head forward a bit, and take a glance to make sure some car driver isn't coming barreling out. Always look to your right and left and keep scanning to your right and left when you cross a street, even with the green and a walk sign.

Avoid waiting for subways near the ends of the cars. At those entry points you're most likely to have some bullet-like old lady barrel into you as she tries to make for the last available seat.

A sense of personal dignity prevents me from waiting at the subway car doors with my crotch rubbing into the doors. Leaving any space between you and the doors indicates to most Koreans you're not actually waiting to get off. You're simply milling about there. They'll try to slip around you and wedge themselves between you and the door. So use a strategically placed hand on one door handle to block off one avenue for an old lady end around. Use a strategically placed newspaper or book pointed towards the door to create a visual barrier on the other side.

Accept that Korean men will stand in line behind you so close you swear the guy's John Thomas is, errr, in you. So a backpack is great to keep some distance between your bum and the Korean guy's thrusting bulbous crotch. However, many stores such as Carrefour make you put your backpack in a locker, robbing you of buffer space. If this is the case, and you feel some guy rubbing his crotch into you, turn around and say to the guy "�ƹ��� �۾Ƶ� ���� Ű�����ֽð� �����̶�� �θ����� �ֺ��� ������ ���ּ���". (This I believe works out to saying, roughly, "at least do me the dignity of either kissing me on the mouth and calling me Susan or giving me a reach around").
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The Evil Clown



Joined: 10 May 2004

PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you practice defensive walking in Seoul? Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
So a backpack is great to keep some distance between your bum and the Korean guy's thrusting bulbous crotch.


Haha, more like being prodded with a thimble.

I practice offensive walking. I walk in a straight line as close to the edge as possible of the sidewalk. Of course no matter how you dodge most Koreans will somehow manage to veer into you in some confucian game of chicken.

*beep* 'em. They either end up walking right into me or having to jump out of the way rather than be mowed down by a 190-pound whitey.
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casey's moon



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo, I'm not sure what percentage of your post you actually practice, but that is some good seriously good advice, and it was a great read. Good work.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

casey's moon wrote:
mindmetoo, I'm not sure what percentage of your post you actually practice, but that is some good seriously good advice, and it was a great read. Good work.


Well I don't actually ask a Korean man to jerk me off or kiss me on the mouth... but the rest I do Smile
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PEIGUY



Joined: 28 Mar 2004
Location: Omokgyo

PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i do a bit of that but i've found that the best way is just to walk straight i'm 6'1 240 if they want to walk into me they can not going to make a bit of difference to me. As for the cyclists i did the sudden move to my left one evening on the sidewalk to avoid construciont on a new building and almost knocked a cyclists off his bike he said something to me in Korean but i just kept walking.. i really want to sitck my arm out for scooter drivers though.. just once would be enough i think to satisfy my urge.. Very Happy
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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bloody pedestrians on the pavement! I ring my bell but sometimes, they just ask to be run into ..... Wink

(EDIT ... hmmm, my 100th ... if I had known, I would have invited a few select people to a Guinness party in 3 alleys where they have safe bike parking - and why are the brakes the wrong way round in Korea?)
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PEIGUY



Joined: 28 Mar 2004
Location: Omokgyo

PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wangja wrote:
Bloody pedestrians on the pavement! I ring my bell but sometimes, they just ask to be run into ..... Wink

(EDIT ... hmmm, my 100th ... if I had known, I would have invited a few select people to a Guinness party in 3 alleys where they have safe bike parking - and why are the brakes the wrong way round in Korea?)


because it's Korea they ahve to do everything opposite of the rest of the world does it's the Korean Way!
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coolsage



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul

PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 3:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you practice defensive walking in Seoul? Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
I've found with the large number of cyclists, motorcyclists, and car drivers on the sidewalk you have to practice defensive walking.

My main trick is sticking to the "tree line". If the sidewalk has trees, slalom in and out of them. Most cyclists give trees a wide berth mostly because they're surrounded by bumpy uneven metal grates.

Also use the unnatural geography to plot safer paths. For example walk towards a newspaper stand or food cart. This way no vehicles will be coming at you and those coming up behind you will probably already be over to the right to zip around.

Also, you never become so aware and thankful of your peripheral vision when you walk the sidewalks of Seoul. Use it at all times. Use it especially if you're about to make any sudden moves to the right or left. Always turn your head to take a small look back too.

When you approach driveways, streets, and alleys, always slow down, poke your head forward a bit, and take a glance to make sure some car driver isn't coming barreling out. Always look to your right and left and keep scanning to your right and left when you cross a street, even with the green and a walk sign.

Avoid waiting for subways near the ends of the cars. At those entry points you're most likely to have some bullet-like old lady barrel into you as she tries to make for the last available seat.

A sense of personal dignity prevents me from waiting at the subway car doors with my crotch rubbing into the doors. Leaving any space between you and the doors indicates to most Koreans you're not actually waiting to get off. You're simply milling about there. They'll try to slip around you and wedge themselves between you and the door. So use a strategically placed hand on one door handle to block off one avenue for an old lady end around. Use a strategically placed newspaper or book pointed towards the door to create a visual barrier on the other side.

Accept that Korean men will stand in line behind you so close you swear the guy's John Thomas is, errr, in you. So a backpack is great to keep some distance between your bum and the Korean guy's thrusting bulbous crotch. However, many stores such as Carrefour make you put your backpack in a locker, robbing you of buffer space. If this is the case, and you feel some guy rubbing his crotch into you, turn around and say to the guy "�ƹ��� �۾Ƶ� ���� Ű�����ֽð� �����̶�� �θ����� �ֺ��� ������ ���ּ���". (This I believe works out to saying, roughly, "at least do me the dignity of either kissing me on the mouth and calling me Susan or giving me a reach around").
I really did LOL on this one. Even in this smaller, relatively uncrowded city, the locals seem inexorably drawn into my gravitational pull. No matter how wide the sidewalk, somebody will find a way to get right into my face. The lack of peripheral vision combined with the inevitable distraction of the cellphone, added to the notion that it's not important to watch where you're going adds up to a potential clash. After seven years of this crap, I thought that I'd become de-sensitized to the obtuse behavior of the locals. That hasn't happened. If anything, I've become re-sensitized, knowing that in equally crowded places e.g. Bangkok, people know how to work their way around one another without the pushing and shoving. Perhaps there should be an obligatory 'finishing school' for Koreans, because these people are anything but 'finished'. Don't get me started with their deportment on escalators, elevators and in doorways. I think that I've been here too long. And the spitting, especially into ashtrays, continues to gross me out.
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 7:29 pm    Post subject: yes Reply with quote

I stick my umbrella out in front of me if I think someone will collide with me. Walking right into an umbrella kinda hurts.

Also, if I think someone is trying to cut in line, the umbrella works.

Umbrellas kick ass!!!
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kiwiboy_nz_99



Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...

PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes I'll notice someone walking directly towards me with thier head down, I just lean forward a bit, put a shoulder forward, and spead up. Funny how thier vision improves, they always get out of the way.
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Ody



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: over here

PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote:
Sometimes I'll notice someone walking directly towards me with thier head down, I just lean forward a bit, put a shoulder forward....
that's when i brace myself. 90% of the time they yield.

unfortunately this is not the case when i am on my husband's arm.
bleeding schmucks!! those rare occasions when we go out romantically, i wish my husband did look like the ajushi he is. we get practically zero respect as a couple!! Mad
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pet lover



Joined: 02 Jan 2004
Location: not in Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This post serves no purpose.

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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 8:28 pm    Post subject: Re: yes Reply with quote

Ilsanman wrote:
I stick my umbrella out in front of me if I think someone will collide with me. Walking right into an umbrella kinda hurts.

Also, if I think someone is trying to cut in line, the umbrella works.

Umbrellas kick ass!!!


Tell me, Ilsanman, how is this done? How does one go about sticking their umbrella, pointy-end-outward, in front of them in as they make their way through a fast-moving crowd, without looking like an uptight weygook nutter wielding an umbrella like a weapon? Frankly, I'd imagine the Koreans (and likely myself) would think: "Hey, check out that uptight weygook nutter over there, wielding his umbrella like a weapon!" Confused Why not just carry a big-ass machete with you, and when someone intrudes into your personal comfort zone, pull it out and start whirling it around? Laughing

Oh, and how does the umbrella keep people from jumping the queue? Do you bar their way with it, like it were a truncheon and you were a policeman? Do you wave it menancingly over your head like a sword while doing a little pirate schtick? Or do you make scary jabs and jousts in their direction, indicating a painful poke in the ass awaits any who dare jump ahead of you? I wanna know. Wink

The Guru

P.S.: Lest you take this the wrong way, Ilsanman, (what the heck? I just typed "Islamman" twice before getting it right! Smile ) don't get liquored up, hunt me down and whack me upside the noggin with that wicked brolly of yours. Just having a hard time visualising how you manage to do it. Hope to learn some tactics I can use myself Twisted Evil !)
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 8:07 am    Post subject: yes Reply with quote

What's a brolly? Why don't you use English?


How I use it: ok....

Well, as Kiwiboy stated before, Koreans who try to crowd the sidewalk on you, more often than not, see you. They just don't care. The umbrella makes them care.

I don't stick it out in front of me at arm's length. I brace it under my arm, so basically, if the blind bat walks into me, expecting me to move, they will get an umbrella jab in the stomach. Not surprisingly, I have yet to jab anyone. They move.

Stopping people from cutting the line on me:

I also brace it under my arm or some other way, basically making me a little wider. If they try to cut to my left or right (usual ajumma tactic), I can feel them pushing the umbrella. Then I can cut in front of them in turn.

I will not hunt you down and fight you. That's childish. I just won't read any of your future posts, as you clearly aren't of the level of intelligence that I like to associate myself with.
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Thunndarr



Joined: 30 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I follow one simple guideline. Never be the first person to cross the street.
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