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Drakoi

Joined: 26 Sep 2003 Location: The World
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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:02 am Post subject: |
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| agraham wrote: |
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| endo wrote: |
Thanks everybody.
I have a couple Korean language dctionaries and well as a CD so that should help as well. Just have to work on the pronounciation.
ex. bundang
not bundaang
but bundong
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Sorry, no. Bun-daang is a better pronunciation. Or you could romanize it like this...Poon-daang. |
My book "Teach Yourself Korean" says �� is pronounced like "bat" and �� is pronounced like "bought". It also says �� is "bait" and �� is "bet".
"Roadmap to Korean" agrees with this, except that Roadmap says that �� and �� are both "bait".
Now "Lonely Planet Seoul" says something different: �� is "bought", �� is "butt", and for �� and �� it agrees with Teach Yourself that they are "bait" and "bet" respectively.
So which do you think a native Korean would agree with? The textbooks, and not the guidebook, right? Wrong. I've asked three different people now, and they all say that Lonely Planet has it right and the other books have it wrong...
After listening as carefully as I can to Korean people talking, I've come to the conclusion that all three are correct. What is important is that when you speak, �� is "wider mouthed" than �� and �� is a smidge wider than ��. |
I have a freaking hard time with vowels, but I got a good explanation from the ga-na-da book on pronounciation.
The simple vowels depend on two things, the shape of the mouth and the position of the tongue.
The one that points right is mouth open and tongue down 'aaahhh'
The one that points left is the mouth open and the tongue receded or, elevated, but not touching the roof of the mouth.
The one that points up is a simple long 'o', mouth forms a small circle, tongue down?
The one that points down is like a double 'oo' or like 'you'
The vertical bar is a long 'e' lips stretched back.
The horizontal bar is with lips relaxed and tongue receded.
If there's two pointers, then you add a 'y' sound to the front
If it's a combination of vowesl.... well that's where it gets hard.... |
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Cedar
Joined: 11 Mar 2003 Location: In front of my computer, again.
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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| I'd suggest only learning the things that have been mentioned here several times the same way.... and even then, remembering they might not be polite. The unfortunate fact seems to be that most Dave's ESL people are using contrasting forms/dialectical forms/low level forms/weird f---ed up romanization, etc. if you put all that together, all you get is one heck of a confused newbie. |
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zappadelta

Joined: 31 Aug 2004
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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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One important one to know , especially if living in or near Seoul, is :
Jae ga mun jun de yo.
This means, I was here before you. These little Korean bastards love to jump ahead of you in all kinds of places (convenience stores, restaurants, basically anywhere there is a line.) |
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endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Location: Seoul...my home
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 2:44 am Post subject: |
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| zappadelta wrote: |
One important one to know , especially if living in or near Seoul, is :
Jae ga mun jun de yo.
This means, I was here before you. These little Korean bastards love to jump ahead of you in all kinds of places (convenience stores, restaurants, basically anywhere there is a line.) |
Yeah, some Korean buisnessman did that exact thing today at a concession stand at the airport. But I wasn't really sure what I was doing so I cant blame the guy.
Newbey = deer in te headlights in Korea! |
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Gollum
Joined: 04 Sep 2003 Location: Japan
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 3:46 am Post subject: |
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Yang-Dah-Rhee
It means, "two legs."
We would call it two-timing or cheating. |
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endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Location: Seoul...my home
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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 1:30 am Post subject: |
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Here are the one's i've used the most so far.
-hangook mal-anio (I don't speak Korean)
- annyong haseyo (hi)
- annyong-hi kie-sayo (good bye)
- kam-sam-nida (thankyou)
- ne (no)
- anio (yes)
- sille hamnida (excuse me) is this right cause I got a few wierd looks after using this one.
- ol-mayo (how much is it?)
I'm still slowly catching on but I would like to learn a lot more. However, I still feel uncomfortable using many of these words in public. Oh well, I guesse it will just take time. |
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zappadelta

Joined: 31 Aug 2004
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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 3:27 am Post subject: |
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| Shilyehamnida. You are probably saying close to right, it's just that Koreans never say it so that's why you get the looks. I have been here for 2 years and have heard it one time. |
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Mankind

Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 6:21 am Post subject: |
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Get down the food and taxi lingo first.
water-mool (moo like a cow). Make sure you say guseyo after.
right-oranjoke
left-whenjoke
straight-jikgin
Tried to make simple spellings to help ya remember. Also gave you the most common ways of saying it.
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chronicpride

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:23 am Post subject: |
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No Korean on this computer, but some essentials for different strokes could be:
to a fiesty bastard:
mwol cheoda bwa?
(banmal for 'what are you staring at?')
ssagaji eomneun saekkiya, iri wa!
('come here, I'll teach you some manners!')
ssaul kkeoya, mal kkeoya?
(Are we gonna fight, or not?)
jibeh gaseo ttalttarina chyeo!
(Go home and jerk off!)
in the bar, you can try:
yeogi jaju oseyo?
(Come here often?)
neo nun yeppeo
(Your eyes are pretty)
ireumi eotteoke dwoeseyo?
(What's your name?)
sool han jan sado dwelkayo?
(Can I buy you a drink?)
haksaeng isseyo?
(Are you a student?)
choom choolaeyo?
(Do you want to dance?)
choom jal chooneyo.
(You are a good dancer)
myeot ssikkaji jibeh kaya dwaeyo?
(What time do you have to be at home?)
eejeh mwo halkkayo?
(What's next?)
wooli jibeulo kallaeyo?
(Let's go to my place?)
or
jeonhwabeonhoga eoddeokeh dwaeyo?
(What's your number?)
Not 100% solid on the romanization. I've been told by friends that some people may think that some of the expressions are kind of dated, but still passable. Good for a laugh, if pulled off right. The intent will come across, at any rate. |
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kangnamdragon

Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Gollum wrote: |
Yang-Dah-Rhee
It means, "two legs."
We would call it two-timing or cheating. |
Actually it means "both legs." |
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endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Location: Seoul...my home
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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I just wanted to thank everbody again for the responses. I felt a little wierd at first when I started using Korean words, but its getting more and more comfortable as the days go on.
Koreans really seem to appreciate it when you make an effort to use their language. Although, I need to simma down on the annyong haseyo as I seem to say it to everyone passing by during my daily walks. I also get a few laughs when I throw out my kamsamida at the grocery store. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| endo wrote: |
| Just have to work on the pronounciation. |
For those who didn't study the language at all and need some last minute help here's all you need. (I know a guy who has been here four years and doesn't know "adjumma". And I myself never learned "ol-mayo" because Korean businesses know the phrase "How much?" (it's even on a popular t.v. commercial).
10 words for Newbie Dummies
(to get the handle of in 10 minutes)
HELLO: "ann-yawn haw-say-yo" (say the first word faster than the second)
GOOD BYE: "ann-yawn-he gaw-say-yo"
YES: "yeah yeah" (commonly used but nod your head with a smile to add politeness)
NO: "neah neah" (pronounced like "yeah" but with 'n' sound)
I DON'T KNOW: "Moe-lie-yo" (the polite way to say it)
THANK YOU: "come-sa hum-knee-da"
I'M SORRY: "me-yawn hum-knee-da"
WATER BRING PLEASE: "mool-ja-say-yo"
HERE/THIS: "e-gaw" (Used to point in a taxi which way to go)
THERE/THAT: "jaw-got" (Used to point at things behind the counter in a store) |
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endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Location: Seoul...my home
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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what about "hey dude, hold up on the kimchi!" on that list?
Anyways, those are a solid top ten, altough I think that #s should be there, or at least in a seperate categorie. (By the way what are they? 1-10 for ex)
Also, I have found hangook mal aniyo to be invaluable on a few occasions. Especially at the grocery market when the food ladies swarm me  |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Yap
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
YES: "yeah yeah" (commonly used but nod your head with a smile to add politeness)
NO: "neah neah" (pronounced like "yeah" but with 'n' sound)
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I hope the above just means you havent had your morning coffee yet.
The two terms are interchangeable & both mean yes.
NO: Aniyo |
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Corporal

Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
| endo wrote: |
| Just have to work on the pronounciation. |
For those who didn't study the language at all and need some last minute help here's all you need. (I know a guy who has been here four years and doesn't know "adjumma". And I myself never learned "ol-mayo" because Korean businesses know the phrase "How much?" (it's even on a popular t.v. commercial).
10 words for Newbie Dummies
(to get the handle of in 10 minutes)
HELLO: "ann-yawn haw-say-yo" (say the first word faster than the second)
GOOD BYE: "ann-yawn-he gaw-say-yo"
YES: "yeah yeah" (commonly used but nod your head with a smile to add politeness)
NO: "neah neah" (pronounced like "yeah" but with 'n' sound)
I DON'T KNOW: "Moe-lie-yo" (the polite way to say it)
THANK YOU: "come-sa hum-knee-da"
I'M SORRY: "me-yawn hum-knee-da"
WATER BRING PLEASE: "mool-ja-say-yo"
HERE/THIS: "e-gaw" (Used to point in a taxi which way to go)
THERE/THAT: "jaw-got" (Used to point at things behind the counter in a store) |
Those are terrible romanizations. Really, really bad. |
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