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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 6:39 am    Post subject: would this happen anywhere else? Reply with quote

Prostitutes hit back with street protest

Prostitutes and brothel owners have taken to the streets to protest the government's new efforts to curb the sex trade with new laws, which took effect Thursday.
About 300 demonstrators from Seoul's red-light districts staged a surprise rally Thursday night at Hawolgok-dong, an area known for offering illicit sex.
During the protest, which lasted an hour and half, the protesters demanded that the government suspend its campaign against prostitution because it was threatening the livelihood of many people.
Under the new laws, those who engage a prostitute now face jail time of up to a year and fines of up to 3 million won ($2,631).
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djsmnc



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess the men in government really stuck it to them!

hahaha
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desultude



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually appreciate their courage. As long as it is regulated and the women are clean, it's no one's business.

Don't get me wrong- I wish that they would or could do something else for a living. But I don't agree with making it illegal and busting working women- especially when it is being done by a bunch of hypocrits who have their own well supported mistresses (not prostitution?).
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chronicpride



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ehmm..*mumbles sheepishly* what line is Hawolgok-dong on? Wink
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the saint



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

happen anywhere else? Yep. Paris is one that springs to mind... sex workers were protesting in the streets about some law or other a few years ago...
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wylde



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a lot of the whores i have known (yes, i know a few) aren't desperate to make a living but like the high life

they take expensive drugs and, in korea, wear lots of gold..

the fashion thing in korea is a drug... fucken idiots here have some fucked up opinion that they must look good in front of their friends

my opinion, for what it's worth..... prostitutes are lazy who *beep* for good money rather than get a decent job
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Pyongshin Sangja



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, it's happened in many countries. India, Holland ummm Canada.

So, anyone that engages the services of a prostitute gets....a year?

But I can embezzle millions and get away with it as long as my Dad is President?

Does this one year for purchasing sex apply to, by my reckoning, 95% of the males in the National Assembly? Everyone above the position of mailboy for Samsung, LG and Hyundai? Anyone that has ever served in the Korean Armed Forces? Basically any Korean male in a position of trust?

What an asinine, posturing move. Do you know how deeply buying sex runs in Korean society? I challenge all of you to go out there and find me any Korean male (that is not a monk) over the age of, oh, 21 that has never had sex with a hooker. Where are all these police officers that had sex in exchange for immunity for pimps? We are now supposed to believe that all of these guys will stop? That the very same police force that got laid in return for turning a blind eye deserve to have their jobs? Why aren't they being charged? Wait, because they still have their jobs. Because they are still policing these districts. Because they are the same cops that would love to bust you for teaching a 9 year old kid to speak English. Because I am supposed to ever take a Korean male seriously when he talks about morals.

So, they'll crack down on the RLD's where the plebes go get their jollies and turn a blind eye to the Room Salons and Business Clubs. Are we to believe that rich guys in Korea are instantly no longer buying sex? Or buying it for other rich guys in order to get contracts? Are we to believe that the basis of all Korean business deals no longer exists?

This is a cynical attempt to crack down on tax evasion by the scores of pimps that have exploited the abysmal status of Korean women for years without addressing the systemic problems in Korean society that lead women into these lives of servitude. Women continue to be second class citizens without control over their own bodies or even their own children in the event of the death of their husbands but now they can't even sell that same body to which the state ascribes so little value. Sure, shutting down RLD's is a good idea but in a society that still expects all women to stop working after childbirth and offers them only low-paying, low-status positions in the years prior where else are women that fall through the cracks supposed to go?

What a stupid law. It's another tax grab.
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Snatch



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spot on!
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J.B. Clamence



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

desultude wrote:
... their own well supported mistresses (not prostitution?).


If you're going to label every woman who is willing to form a relationship (as a girlfriend, mistress, wife, whatever) with a man as a result of that man being able to take care of them financially, then you would have a very hard time finding any woman (anywhere in the world) who isn't hooking.
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peppermint



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.B. Clamence wrote:
desultude wrote:
... their own well supported mistresses (not prostitution?).


If you're going to label every woman who is willing to form a relationship (as a girlfriend, mistress, wife, whatever) with a man as a result of that man being able to take care of them financially, then you would have a very hard time finding any woman (anywhere in the world) who isn't hooking.


Good god , the men here are such cynics. To hell with attractivwe guys, where are the ones that aren't jaded? Wink
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is a cynical attempt to crack down on tax evasion by the scores of pimps that have exploited the abysmal status of Korean women for years without addressing the systemic problems in Korean society that lead women into these lives of servitude. Women continue to be second class citizens without control over their own bodies or even their own children in the event of the death of their husbands but now they can't even sell that same body to which the state ascribes so little value. Sure, shutting down RLD's is a good idea but in a society that still expects all women to stop working after childbirth and offers them only low-paying, low-status positions in the years prior where else are women that fall through the cracks supposed to go?

What a stupid law. It's another tax grab.


I pretty much agree with everything except attributing it to taxes. From what I've read, two things are at work here: 1) the US put SK on a list of countries that allow sex trafficking and 2) on the same day, American soldiers were told they could no longer use prostitutes or they will face prosecution (some right-wing Bible-thumping nut case plot).
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

answer to the OP: Bangkok
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korian



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dunno why govt.s keep trying to ban it. well i do and i don't but that argument could go on forever. at the end of the day, there are many reasons why girls work in the industry. and it's not just a reflection of the inequities in society blah blah blah

like someone pointed out, it's damn easy money if you can get over the moral issues and just put up with the blokes. and some people are lazy. guys and girls alike. but girls, especially in korea, can turn to this life and get cash.

it will always be around coz money makes the world go round. closely followed by guys chasing tail. put those 2 together and what have you got? shazzam.
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

desultude wrote:
I actually appreciate their courage.


I get the idea street walkers don't exist here, or exist in small numbers, because of a fear someone will recognize them and bring shame on their family. Like, the little out-call cards they leave on cars in Gangnam don't even feature pictures of Korean women. They're pictures of Japanese porn stars. I assumed this was because while a proper Korean woman will work the sex trade to pay off massive credit card debt, she doesn't want to put her family's honor at risk by her picture showing up under the wiper blades of a Daewoo.

So yeah that did take some balls.
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peppermint



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't really see streetwalkers here, because there's so many venues around for them that they don't have to .
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