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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gollum wrote:

Choosing a school is like playing Russian Roulette. There is no escaping this fact. I don't care if you're going to a kiddy-hagwon or a University. The best thing you can do is try to remove as many bullets from the gun as possible before you sign a contract and pull the trigger.


Very true. My second job hunt I was in Korea and had a chance to suss things out. A job I interviewed for looked great on paper, but when I interviewed there I had uneasy feeling about the school. Sure enough the teacher who was working there left being owed more than 4 million in wages.
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Us in DC



Joined: 22 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah at this point we are seriously considering just up, but not doing it until January. So I can be here for Chrismas and whatever. I read all the FAQs about just showing up and looking for a job.

But I still have some questions like:
What is the best week of the month to arrive? Does it matter?
What are the chances that we could find separate jobs but live together and how would that work? Somebody once told me that we could manage this but I have mentioned this to a bunch of recruiters and they act they didn't read it.
...and I had a few more but I can't remember them right now
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bosintang



Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts

PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Us in DC wrote:

What are the chances that we could find separate jobs but live together and how would that work? Somebody once told me that we could manage this but I have mentioned this to a bunch of recruiters and they act they didn't read it.
...and I had a few more but I can't remember them right now


In my experiences from my last job hunt, having one-year experience and being located in Seoul and attending interviews in-person, most schools would prefer to pay you a housing allowance rather than actually provide you with housing, so I don't see this being a problem; and really, if you have the patience and money to go with this option, you are probably better off.

However, I think you should keep in mind, that for a newbie straight off a plane, Korea can be a very confusing place. Getting a meal in your stomach can be an overwhelming experience let alone trying to find a job and a place to live. I don't mean to discourage you, but it is something you should keep in mind, and maybe you might want to consider having enough money to hire a translator in case you need one.
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Us in DC



Joined: 22 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay cool. So does looking for a job in Korea give you more or less leverage?
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kiwiboy_nz_99



Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...

PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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should I ever sign a contract where it says I have to repay my airfare or the recruiter's fee if I quit or am fired?

No. Don't take this job, that is illegal. Each contract will have a set time you need to give notice for, often two months. If you do that, you can legally quite and not have to pay back your airfare.
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bosintang



Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts

PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Us in DC wrote:
Okay cool. So does looking for a job in Korea give you more or less leverage?


More leverage, of course. The downside is that it takes a bit more start-up money, more effort, and it's probably a bit more expensive.
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Us in DC



Joined: 22 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is that, that it gives you more leverage. I would think it would give you less because they know you are there on borrowed time so they can say no to your requests. What am I not understanding here?
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bosintang



Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts

PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Us in DC wrote:
Why is that, that it gives you more leverage. I would think it would give you less because they know you are there on borrowed time so they can say no to your requests. What am I not understanding here?


Maybe I misinterpreted by what you mean by "leverage". What I mean is that it will offer you the opportunity to be choosier and pickier about what job you can take. As far as bargaining with your employer goes, I don't think it's as important as an issue. You can bargain with your employer over small things (e.g. 2mil instead of 1.9mil, airfaire reimbursement, etc.), but I don't think it matters whether you are in Korea or overseas.

As far as employers here thinking that you are on "borrowed" time here, I honestly don't think most would think that way. Often -- actually, almost always -- employers leave hiring (as well as everything else) to the very last minute, so they will want you to start, like, yesterday. Everything moves fast here, and it's likely that all parties involved are in a hurry.
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Us in DC



Joined: 22 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My real concern is that we come over to Korea and I have a bunch of interviews lined up through recruiters, web ads or whatever and I end up in the same situation I am in now where all I am being shown in totally crappy contracts that include upon other things split shifts. Then I am basically in the same situation of taking a job I don't really like all that much minus a plane ticket and having to go to Osaka on top of it. Am I being too pessimistic?

Why will I have better luck finding the right kind of offers in Korea as opposed to the states? I realize I can see the school for myself first hand -I don't mean to discount the importance of that but what if I can't even get that far. Are schools more likely to give me a decent schedule and negotiate on the contract if I am already in Korea?

I am not posing this question to anyone specific. I am happy to get any feedback. And I have already done a ton of searching and reading the FAQ's.
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shifty



Joined: 21 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me the only advantage of being in Korea is the opportunity to inspect the apartment. Even that is debatable. I had a nice postage stamp, just needed a place to hang my hat and was genuinely happy, when I discovered that the building was the rendezvous for a horde of prostitutes, all with the highest of high-heels.

I didn't sleep for 3 months and on weekends it was worse. I often thought I was on the verge of a stroke and had to stay cool in the classroom.

Initially I thought the boss was a sweetheart and if I'd had a face-to-face interview and physical inspection of the school at that time, I'd have snapped the job up. Slowly the screws were unfurled, with me steadily ceding, to keep the peace. As the only waygook, this is crucial for me.

Not too much value should be placed on the opportunity of meeting with the current teachers. They need a favourable reference, final salary, severance and in my case airfare.

Then, your own personality. If you're bewildered in a big strange city you'll be vulnerable to the above scenario.

Get the job on the internet, just ask the right questions. Get email addresses of current staff and tell them upfront that you appreciate any moral dilemmas they may have.
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