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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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 Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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Who has the more apt definition of kyopo attitudes? Neither one of us. |
Personally, it seems that Kiwi's view is kind of a cliche. Yes, it exists, and that's why it's a "safe call"....there is some evidence of it on this board (CustomX, Ya-ya). I wouldn't however, call it anecdotal by a stretch on these terms. It's just a stereotype that is as often wrong as right.
"Kyopos with a western chip"...sure, I'm sure there are many. Koreans who hate westerners"....yep, check. "Westerners who hate Koreans".....yep, ok.
Just a wild generalization..nothing more. I have met many a cool Kyopo. The only ugly ones were here... |
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jazblanc77
Joined: 22 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 12:13 am Post subject: |
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BTW, "kyopo" basically means "expatriate" in Korean, meaning someone who was born in Korea and is living abroad, ie. not in Korea.
Besides, why have all of you given this newbie retard troll five pages of "bites"?
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cheem
Joined: 18 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| shakuhachi wrote: |
| Why is your anecdotal experience more valid than kiwi's? I can safely say that under the anonymous safety provided by this forum, kyopo's have shown their hostility to white westerners in Korea time and time again. |
So your world-view is based on the people on this forum and what they post here? If that's the case, I'd be interested to know your opinion on ESL teachers in Korea.
Generalizations like this are fun and all -- I like to dip into them once in awhile myself -- but as someone else here alluded to, they're too easy, and they don't make you look all that "enlightened". |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 9:10 am Post subject: |
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kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote:
In the same way that being born in Korea to two western parents doesn't make me Korean, being born in america to two Korean parents doesn't make you western in any real sense except that of semantic games. |
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Westerner... Hint: WEST - erner. Look it up in the dictionary if you have to. The irony here is that I'm more a westerner than you are.
Again, I think the word you're looking for is "whitey". |
That's a negative there big buddy. Westerner does not refer to be geographically "west". England?
And no, the word I'm looking for is not the perjorative "whitey" so stop putting words in my mouth. [/quote] |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 9:17 am Post subject: |
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Personally, it seems that Kiwi's view is kind of a cliche. Yes, it exists, and that's why it's a "safe call"....there is some evidence of it on this board (CustomX, Ya-ya). I wouldn't however, call it anecdotal by a stretch on these terms. It's just a stereotype that is as often wrong as right.
"Kyopos with a western chip"...sure, I'm sure there are many. Koreans who hate westerners"....yep, check. "Westerners who hate Koreans".....yep, ok.
Just a wild generalization..nothing more. I have met many a cool Kyopo. The only ugly ones were here...
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Westerners who hate Koreans, check. But for very different reasons. I don't know of any westerners who want all Koreans out of thier country or who freak out when they see a Korean with a white girl.
Like I said, way back before the santimonious amoung us came down from on high, it's a certain kind of kyopo that I'm talking about. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 9:38 am Post subject: |
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ZUL has a great avatr of Total D! Whatever happened to them?
"When it comes to skins I should be a dermatologist, cuz I be diggin em like an archaeologist..." Classic! |
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cheem
Joined: 18 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
| Westerner does not refer to be geographically "west". England? |
And "whitener" doesn't actually brighten teeth, it just moves teeth to the left. Yes, England. I believe it's in "Western" Europe, not "White" Europe.
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| I don't know of any westerners who want all Koreans out of their country or who freak out when they see a Korean with a white girl. |
This is pretty naive, even for an islander. And I thought you liked to mock the I-never-see-it-so-it-doesn't-happen camp. |
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cheem
Joined: 18 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 10:11 am Post subject: |
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| kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
| Like I said, way back before the santimonious amoung us came down from on high, it's a certain kind of kyopo that I'm talking about. |
"a certain kind" - That's an empty, meaningless statement meant to cover your rear, and you know it.
What would be your first reaction if I were to say "There's a certain kind of white person that likes to eat human flesh"?
Yeah, so what? |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 10:54 am Post subject: |
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kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote:
Westerner does not refer to be geographically "west". England?
And "whitener" doesn't actually brighten teeth, it just moves teeth to the left. Yes, England. I believe it's in "Western" Europe, not "White" Europe.
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Er, pedantic much? That would be "western Europe" as differentiated from "eastern Europe", and having no reference at all to the position of Korea. But ok, New Zealand and Australia, western countries no? And we're south of everything ... 
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"a certain kind" - That's an empty, meaningless statement meant to cover your rear, and you know it.
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I know I meant what I said, and I knew what I was saying. That's why I didn't say "all".
And a great big whatever to you anyway, this is going nowhere.
The "kyopo-chip" is famous, and that's for a reason. Keep on believing it's not true if it makes your little world more comfortable. |
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pauly
Joined: 24 Sep 2004
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 11:37 am Post subject: |
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Wow...I can't believe I wasted my time reading all this. Hey guys, give Karl a break. It's obviously he's burned out because he has no free time from teaching 24/7. Maybe his bladder is in a bad state because he's not paid to relieve himself either. 
"My point is,you're not here to score with chicks.You're here to teach English...I appreciate a good roll in the hay as much as the next guy,but not when I'm paid to do a job...I came here to work,not to play around!
Now everybody,get out of bed and back to teaching!" (How do you use multiple quotes on this thing?)
As for kyopos, I'm one that doesn't have this dislike for westerners. I've never heard of that until now and have no problem with you dating and marrying my women (I had no idea they were mine to begin with). I may be going to Korea this January, but I have no interest in dating Korean women (maybe it's in rebellion of my father trying to make me marry Korean). If you "whiteys" want to hang out every once in a while when I get there, I'd be into that, as it might make for a long, lonely year or two.
And yes, I'm a westerner. |
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cheem
Joined: 18 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
| Er, pedantic much? That would be "western Europe" as differentiated from "eastern Europe", and having no reference at all to the position of Korea. But ok, New Zealand and Australia, western countries no? And we're south of everything ... |
Pedantic? That's funny. Seems pretty elementary to me. Try dusting off that dictionary of yours and looking up the word "westerner". It'll describe someone who inhabits the West (surprise!). You may also be surprised that it makes no mention of race. But like you said, "whatever". It's obvious you have issues admitting when you're wrong.
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| The "kyopo-chip" is famous, and that's for a reason. Keep on believing it's not true if it makes your little world more comfortable. |
"The kyopo-chip is famous". That's a great quote. Where is it famous? Here? It's ironic you say "little world" when clearly your views on gyopos are rooted in a message board populated with idiots.
But like you said, a great big "W". Just one more group to prop up your high school rhetoric. |
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cheem
Joined: 18 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| pauly wrote: |
| I may be going to Korea this January, but I have no interest in dating Korean women |
That will change, trust me.
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| And yes, I'm a westerner. |
Actually, according to kiwiboy we're... ummm... what's the English word for us, kiwiboy? |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 11:57 am Post subject: |
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kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote:
Er, pedantic much? That would be "western Europe" as differentiated from "eastern Europe", and having no reference at all to the position of Korea. But ok, New Zealand and Australia, western countries no? And we're south of everything ...
Pedantic? That's funny. Seems pretty elementary to me. Try dusting off that dictionary of yours and looking up the word "westerner". It'll describe someone who inhabits the West (surprise!). You may also be surprised that it makes no mention of race. But like you said, "whatever". It's obvious you have issues admitting when you're wrong. |
I'm not wrong. Explain why New Zealand and Australia are part of the west when they are south of everything.
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"The kyopo-chip is famous". That's a great quote. Where is it famous? Here? It's ironic you say "little world" when clearly your views on gyopos are rooted in a message board populated with idiots. |
You are one of those idiots you speak of.
And my view of kyopos is formulated from living in Korea, not from this board. |
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cheem
Joined: 18 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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| kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
| I'm not wrong. Explain why New Zealand and Australia are part of the west when they are south of everything. |
This discussion was never about Australia and New Zealand. No one cares if they're considered westerners or not. It was about this:
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| Psssst, gyopos ARE NOT Westerners. |
You remember that? Yeah, you were wrong. Admit it. C'mon. C'mon darling, you can do it.
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"The kyopo-chip is famous". That's a great quote. Where is it famous? Here? It's ironic you say "little world" when clearly your views on gyopos are rooted in a message board populated with idiots. |
You are one of those idiots you speak of.
And my view of kyopos is formulated from living in Korea, not from this board. |
Whoah, zinger!  I didn't see that one coming! Yeah, I'm sure given your views on gyopos you've had LOTS of real-world interaction with our kind. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote:
I'm not wrong. Explain why New Zealand and Australia are part of the west when they are south of everything.
This discussion was never about Australia and New Zealand. No one cares if they're considered westerners or not. It was about this:
kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote:
Psssst, gyopos ARE NOT Westerners.
You remember that? Yeah, you were wrong. Admit it. C'mon. C'mon darling, you can do it.
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Kyopos are not Westerners, that's true. But it's not because of where they live but becuase of cultural reasons. One generation is not long enough to assimilate into western culture, and plenty of Korean culture comes from the parents.
That is what you failed to understand in your simplistic view. The term "Westerner" today does not simply refer to a location, it's a culture.
Then you dropped this definition of Westerner that mentioned westerly location as a definition. That is why I had to point out that New Zealand and Australia are western countries but are not located west of anything. |
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