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CustomX
Joined: 25 Aug 2004
Location: Seoul
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| i do understand that its illegal. thats why i told the recruiter that i wasnt interested in teaching illegally. they said that about 8 years ago to get an e2 visa you didnt even need a college degree. then you needed at least an aa or something from a community college, and only about 3 or 4 years ago was it required to have a 3 or 4 year university degree. but my recruiter blatantly told me that most hogwans do not require a degree, only that you are a native english speaker. this would only allow you to teach temporarily if it was true, since your tourist visa only lasts 30 or 90 days, i forget which one. it kinda pisses me off after reading through other website that people order fake diplomas and transcripts for ~$135 and can get an E2. i have other plans beyond teaching though so perhaps i shouldnt really care |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| hmmm ... not necessarily a degree in teaching - so perhaps in English? |
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OiGirl
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| Wangja wrote: |
| hmmm ... not necessarily a degree in teaching - so perhaps in English? |
Oh, no! Not a degree in English. I don't like to study literature, and am not sure how that helps one to teach English to young children. |
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darkpoet
Joined: 15 Oct 2003
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 8:03 am Post subject: |
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I have a BA - English and believe me it comes in quite handy... Why do people always think an English Degree is literature... sure, you do a lot of reading, but less than History or Science or Philosophy majors, I'm sure... and if you want, you can entire avoid literature and head over to grammar and critical analysis... lots of writing and criticism and grammar and philosophizing...
And damn those losers who get fake degrees. I worked for mine and I plan on working for the next one... at least I can be satisfied that a fake one doesn't help when someday you may want to study for your MA or PhD...
"Sorry, professor... what's a thesis?" |
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OiGirl
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| darkpoet wrote: |
| Why do people always think an English Degree is literature... sure, you do a lot of reading, but less than History or Science or Philosophy majors, I'm sure... and if you want, you can entire avoid literature and head over to grammar and critical analysis... |
Critical analysis of what...literature? |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| So to teach English one's degree does not have to be in teaching or in English? |
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jazblanc77
Joined: 22 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 4:13 am Post subject: |
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Of the, perhaps, 50 or so people who have come in and out of my town over the past couple of years, I have known 3 people who had fake degrees. I met 3 more guys in a bar in Pusan 2.5 years ago who were trying to find a clearing house to buy one from.
I'd say there are enough people out there without degrees, though, perhaps none of them use this site so the poll on this thread may not be representative of the teachers in Korea. |
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bosintang
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 4:18 am Post subject: |
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| Wangja wrote: |
| So to teach English one's degree does not have to be in teaching or in English? |
No, to teach English as a second language, one's degree does not have to be in teaching or English.
I do not see how a degree in English literature would be especially helpful in this job. Besides anything related to education or childhood psychology, I personally think the best extra education you could have to teach this job is extensive study of a second language. |
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bosintang
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 4:25 am Post subject: |
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| jazblanc77 wrote: |
Of the, perhaps, 50 or so people who have come in and out of my town over the past couple of years, I have known 3 people who had fake degrees. I met 3 more guys in a bar in Pusan 2.5 years ago who were trying to find a clearing house to buy one from.
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The problem with this is that immigration now wants original transcripts.* Although if you can forge a degree, maybe it's no so difficult to forge transcripts, either.
*Note: By original, I mean copies originating from the University (ie not photocopies). However, not necessarily official, which means they would have to be received in a sealed envelope. |
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bosintang
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 4:27 am Post subject: Re: Majority teaching without a degree? |
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| endo wrote: |
I heard from a friend that over 50% of english teachers in Korea do not have a University degree?
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50% seems an extremely high number, but there are certainly many English teachers teaching without a degree, in particular Korean English-teachers. |
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jazblanc77
Joined: 22 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 4:29 am Post subject: |
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| bosintang wrote: |
| jazblanc77 wrote: |
Of the, perhaps, 50 or so people who have come in and out of my town over the past couple of years, I have known 3 people who had fake degrees. I met 3 more guys in a bar in Pusan 2.5 years ago who were trying to find a clearing house to buy one from.
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The problem with this is that immigration now wants original transcripts.* Although if you can forge a degree, maybe it's no so difficult to forge transcripts, either.
*Note: By original, I mean copies originating from the University (ie not photocopies). However, not necessarily official, which means they would have to be received in a sealed envelope. |
I have heard that it is possible to get fake transcripts as well.
Correct me if I'm wrong but, transcripts are only required for those working in Gyeongi-do. |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 4:51 am Post subject: |
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| bosintang wrote: |
| Wangja wrote: |
| So to teach English one's degree does not have to be in teaching or in English? |
No, to teach English as a second language, one's degree does not have to be in teaching or English.
I do not see how a degree in English literature would be especially helpful in this job. Besides anything related to education or childhood psychology, I personally think the best extra education you could have to teach this job is extensive study of a second language. |
So a good teacher of English as a second language might have a degree in, say, chemical engineering or hotel management and be fluent in, say, French or Russian?
An interesting profile .... |
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bosintang
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 5:10 am Post subject: |
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| Wangja wrote: |
So a good teacher of English as a second language might have a degree in, say, chemical engineering or hotel management and be fluent in, say, French or Russian?
An interesting profile .... |
To be a good English-as-a-second-language teacher, I don't think a degree at all is necessary (but may be helpful!). Assuming an English-teacher is at least sufficiently literate, I think the life skills they bring to their job is more important than their educational experience.
I think knowledge of a second language is helpful, because if nothing else, it at least helps you be compassionate to just how difficult learning a second language is. I've seen many teachers who cannot speak more than three words of any language other than English, yet criticize Korean students for making mistakes that everyone learning a second language is guilty of. |
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darkpoet
Joined: 15 Oct 2003
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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A major in English is not neccessarily a degree in English literature. Most of my studies were on writing and critical analysis... some of that analysis on literature but most of it on films, poetry, and even a class on critical analysis - which there was only a little reading - most of it was on stating an argument and writing an effective thesis...
But nevermind, I suppose to most people, they just think that a degree in English is lazy and just a lot of reading. Nevermind that I wrote 5000 word papers every month during my last year. Or that if my spelling or grammar was even slightly askew, I lost major points for it...
But I will say that my major has helped me land a lot of interviews. I'm not so sure that interviewers even care about the details of other majors but they always ask me the fine details of everything I learned...
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bosintang
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| darkpoet wrote: |
A major in English is not neccessarily a degree in English literature. Most of my studies were on writing and critical analysis... some of that analysis on literature but most of it on films, poetry, and even a class on critical analysis - which there was only a little reading - most of it was on stating an argument and writing an effective thesis...
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I still fail to see how this has anything to do with learning English as a second language.
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But nevermind, I suppose to most people, they just think that a degree in English is lazy and just a lot of reading. Nevermind that I wrote 5000 word papers every month during my last year. Or that if my spelling or grammar was even slightly askew, I lost major points for it...
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This is still completely irrelevant to teaching English as a second language. Do you disagree?
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But I will say that my major has helped me land a lot of interviews. I'm not so sure that interviewers even care about the details of other majors but they always ask me the fine details of everything I learned...
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I'm curious. What were you asked? How has your major prepared you? |
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