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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Yeah, I'm sure given your views on gyopos you've had LOTS of real-world interaction with our kind. |
So your logic here is that I have a negative veiw of kyopos therefore I haven't met many of them. Well done Einstein.
I have met plenty of kyopos, enough to form my opinion. Now I do what I can to not meet them anymore. |
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cheem
Joined: 18 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, I'm sure given your views on gyopos you've had LOTS of real-world interaction with our kind. |
So your logic here is that I have a negative veiw of kyopos therefore I haven't met many of them. |
No, my logic isn't quite that "complicated". It's more like, "you're full of sh*t". Anyone who has had any meaningful interaction with gyopos would not be saying things like:
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| One generation is not long enough to assimilate into western culture, and plenty of Korean culture comes from the parents. |
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| I have met plenty of kyopos, enough to form my opinion. Now I do what I can to not meet them anymore. |
This is precisely the solution I'd expect from someone as enlightened as yourself.
btw, where can I get some of these famous kyopo chips? They sound tasty. |
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dnamkung
Joined: 09 Apr 2004
Location: Victoria British Columbia
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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I have met plenty of kyopos, enough to form my opinion. Now I do what I can to not meet them anymore.
That is awesome! Open mindedness is awesome! I try to avoid people that are black, kiwis, aussis, and mexicans.. i've met like 40 of each culture and the majority of them had negative attitudes so i don't like them anymore. I also hate women.
I'm glad we think on the same wave-length! Can we be friends? oh wait a minute.. you're a kiwi.. and i'm a gyopo. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
| Kyopos are not Westerners, that's true. But it's not because of where they live but becuase of cultural reasons. One generation is not long enough to assimilate into western culture, and plenty of Korean culture comes from the parents. |
What the *beep*? Seriously dude...naive. As naive as assuming that an Asian/Caucasian relationship has clear blue skies in the U.S. Yes, the U.S. is not the world. No, these sorts of relationships aren't readily given the green light there, either.
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That is what you failed to understand in your simplistic view. The term "Westerner" today does not simply refer to a location, it's a culture.
Then you dropped this definition of Westerner that mentioned westerly location as a definition. That is why I had to point out that New Zealand and Australia are western countries but are not located west of anything. |
True, Australia and New Zealand are considered the rest due to cultural reasons. They were populated by Europeans back in the day.
But you're dodging the issue that I'm challenging. You feel like you have the right to slap "kyopo" onto a poster who seems to be displaying Korean attitudes about something. It's like people sniff out someone's race based entirely on their post. It's rude as hell; who gives a shit if the poster is a gyopo? Take his post at face value and roll with that...nobody's actually defending karl's views here. It's just flat out rude to go around race-labelling.
Or, as I said before, I can regard you as a kiwi and lump you in with all the other kiwis I know. I'd prefer to think of you as a human being...*ahem* |
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tommynomad
Joined: 24 Jul 2004
Location: on the move
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 2:58 am Post subject: |
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| Besides, why have all of you given this newbie retard troll five pages of "bites"? |
Because while I ignore trolls often, sometimes it's more fun to follow with more nonsense. It's no big whoop. It's not as if we're the UN security council or anything....this is the 'Net: the largest democracy of fools. And sometimes, I wanna be one of those fools.
p.s. I find most trolls a LOT less offensive than the word "retard." |
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jazblanc77
Joined: 22 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 3:07 am Post subject: |
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| Besides, why have all of you given this newbie retard troll five pages of "bites"? |
Because while I ignore trolls often, sometimes it's more fun to follow with more nonsense. It's no big whoop. It's not as if we're the UN security council or anything....this is the 'Net: the largest democracy of fools. And sometimes, I wanna be one of those fools.
p.s. I find most trolls a LOT less offensive than the word "retard." |
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shakuhachi
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 3:41 am Post subject: |
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No, my logic isn't quite that "complicated". It's more like, "you're full of sh*t". Anyone who has had any meaningful interaction with gyopos would not be saying things like:
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One generation is not long enough to assimilate into western culture, and plenty of Korean culture comes from the parents. |
Cheem, do you know what you are talking about? Look at the Korean tendency to congregate in 'Korea towns', attend Korean churches, associate with Koreans when possible, spread awful rumours when someone from the 'Korean community' spots a Korean girl they know with a white guy. Do you think that is the behavior of people that have adjusted well into the country they live in? I have met plenty of Kyopo and most know nothing about western culture and have no interest in knowing. No one here dislikes Kyopo just because they are kyopo - the comments by kiwiboy and others are the result of kyopo behavior.
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| You feel like you have the right to slap "kyopo" onto a poster who seems to be displaying Korean attitudes about something. |
Zyzyfer, what is wrong with reaching an opinion based on the information available, ie., that this person is an ethnic korean because he holds an opinion that seems be one of ethnic grievance against white English teachers? You are so politically correct you cant call a spade a spade. How about sticking up for your fellow (white) English teachers who have had to suffer this angry tirade?
As foe Cheem and others, if you were really 'westerners' then you would also be offended at the OP's post, but you are not because you are kyopo and you know the message wasnt targeted at you. You expect kiwi and myself to accept you as a westerner and yet you show no solidarity with other (white) westerners. Now think about why it is hard to accept you. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| Zyzyfer, what is wrong with reaching an opinion based on the information available, ie., that this person is an ethnic korean because he holds an opinion that seems be one of ethnic grievance against white English teachers? You are so politically correct you cant call a spade a spade. |
I'm hardly PC, but one of the last things I concern myself with when talking to someone is where they are from or what race they are. I take people at face value, and if I judged people simply based on experiences with others who hail from the same culture, I'd know an awfully small amount of people. I've met sucky people from many walks of life...and I've also met some great people from the same sources.
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| How about sticking up for your fellow (white) English teachers who have had to suffer this angry tirade? |
Angry tirade my ass. It's a troll, just like it was 5 pages ago. Nobody took the original post seriously.
Sticking up for my fellow white teachers even when they're saying something so rude sounds like a very Asian thought process. You must be Asian. We don't want your creepy villianous Asian thoughts on this whitey message board!
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Think about it for a while. This isn't the first instance, nor is kiwiboy the only guilty party. |
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shevek
Joined: 29 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 5:46 am Post subject: |
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| As foe Cheem and others, if you were really 'westerners' then you would also be offended at the OP's post, but you are not because you are kyopo and you know the message wasnt targeted at you. You expect kiwi and myself to accept you as a westerner and yet you show no solidarity with other (white) westerners. Now think about why it is hard to accept you. |
Dude, is there some white brotherhood of western English teachers that sets guidelines for acceptable attutides among its brethren?
I don�t understand how I missed out on it.
Or is it a literal brotherhood where you need male organs to belong as well as a distaste for non-white people? Because I am missing that sort of stuff. |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 5:51 am Post subject: |
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| Debate the meaning of kyopo and westerner all you want, and speculate as to the race of every poster on the board while you're at it. That doesn't change that it's rather close minded to dismiss someone's ideas because of their race. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 6:20 am Post subject: |
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| Debate the meaning of kyopo and westerner all you want, and speculate as to the race of every poster on the board while you're at it. That doesn't change that it's rather close minded to dismiss someone's ideas because of their race. |
But it would explain a whole lot. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 6:33 am Post subject: |
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That doesn't change that it's rather close minded to dismiss someone's ideas because of their race.
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It sure is. And I most certainly did not do that.
I dismissed his idea ( as did everyone ) because it sucked.
I also acertained from his idea that he was kyopo.
I did not dismiss his idea because he was kyopo. |
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dnamkung
Joined: 09 Apr 2004
Location: Victoria British Columbia
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 6:58 am Post subject: |
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shakuhachi--
I never defended the trollers opinions. I don't recall many people were (im not going to bother to re-read the posts for accuracy).
The fact that you are a westerner does not mean that you have to agree with or stick up for any ol' westerner that you come across, does it? Especially if it is a close minded statement.
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Cheem, do you know what you are talking about? Look at the Korean tendency to congregate in 'Korea towns', attend Korean churches, associate with Koreans when possible, spread awful rumours when someone from the 'Korean community' spots a Korean girl they know with a white guy.
----Does this not happen with every racial minority? every minority group has their own communities, churches (or mosques or temples). Black people have black churches and black communities. Does that mean that they have not well adjusted into their communities? Minorities are the western culture now. Unless you're from some rural farm town, you'd understand.
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No one here dislikes Kyopo just because they are kyopo - the comments by kiwiboy and others are the result of kyopo behavior.
- Uh.. from what he said earlier, and your current statement.. you kind of infer that you don't like kyopo because they are kyopo. If you judge someone based on experiences with other people of a particular culture (ethnicity), then you are prejudging. |
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dnamkung
Joined: 09 Apr 2004
Location: Victoria British Columbia
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 7:02 am Post subject: |
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Kiwiboy:
I dismissed his idea ( as did everyone ) because it sucked.
I also acertained from his idea that he was kyopo.
I did not dismiss his idea because he was kyopo.
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Fair enough--- as long as you didn't dismiss his idea because of ethnicity, i can understand where you're coming from. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 7:22 am Post subject: |
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kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote:
Kyopos are not Westerners, that's true. But it's not because of where they live but becuase of cultural reasons. One generation is not long enough to assimilate into western culture, and plenty of Korean culture comes from the parents. |
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What the *beep*? Seriously dude...naive. As naive as assuming that an Asian/Caucasian relationship has clear blue skies in the U.S. Yes, the U.S. is not the world. No, these sorts of relationships aren't readily given the green light there, either. |
Your reply seems to have nothing to do with my post, very confusing. You said my statement was naive, then went into a completely unrelated example. I stand by the statement. Kyopos, who are by definition first generation americans, are not completely western by culture. That is not naive.
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But you're dodging the issue that I'm challenging. You feel like you have the right to slap "kyopo" onto a poster who seems to be displaying Korean attitudes about something. It's like people sniff out someone's race based entirely on their post. It's rude as hell; who gives a *beep* if the poster is a gyopo? Take his post at face value and roll with that...nobody's actually defending karl's views here. It's just flat out rude to go around race-labelling.
Or, as I said before, I can regard you as a kiwi and lump you in with all the other kiwis I know. I'd prefer to think of you as a human being...*ahem* |
Fist of all, I was rude, and I meant to be. I said "Go away angry kyopo". The OP was extremely rude himself, deliberately so, and I have not problem with what I wrote.
I dissagree, however, that mentioning someones race is rude by definition. If I had said "You sound kyopo, am I right?" I don't think that is rude. Nor do I think race is irrelevant in a discussion board for expats in a foreign country. I don't think anyone should be ashamed of thier race, therefore I don't think mentioning someone's race is pejorative unless there is something specific about the way it is mentioned that makes it perjorative.
Finally, you say I should leave the guy's race alone, when in fact his post specifically addressed racial issues and singled out westerners for specific criticism. I can't see how you justify your position here. [/quote] |
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