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Manner of Speaking



Joined: 09 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chiaa wrote:
Never smacked one, but have broken many rulers on open palms.

I find you get better and faster results if you use an ax.
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agraham



Joined: 19 Aug 2004
Location: Daegu, Korea

PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bah.. there's too much worrying on the topic of hitting/ raising your voice/whatever. If I lose control of the class, I yell at them and then I have control back. I don't need to do it much, but when I do it works fine, so all well and good I say.
I have a couple of ADD cases that need a bonk on the head with a softcover book to make them pay attention. I've done it two or three times in the last three months, and I don't stay up at night worrying that I'm turning them into serial killers.
Some Korean teachers hit em too much, that's a fact. But there's such a thing as the middle path. I'm not going to have unreasonable no hit dogma.
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captain kirk



Joined: 29 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The six foot, middle aged, Korean teacher (male Smile has a new stick today, to replace the two foot length of one inch polypropelene pipe so it's an upgrade. It's wood, 'sky-blue' and smoothly sanded then painted. It's name is 'rainmaker'. It looks like it has been bought in a store or meticulously handcrafted. The 'name label' is printed. 'Rainmaker' because it makes kids cry? He's been in haggies for six years. Nice guy, very relaxed and amusing. Think the stick is just for show, but who knows?
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:
"When in Rome,..."

for the apologists


RR....that's just lame. Now only "apologists" say this when referencing hitting kids?

If that's the "apologist" credo, then what is the credo of someone who has no original ideas, but links to everything they think?

Funny how now you do chime in with your own idea (no link!), it's just tired old rehash.

Sorry...the "apologist" thing is so inaccurate and worn-out...a last resort from people who are just bitter that they aren't so happy, which is basically all "apologists" are...happy people who see things in a positive light.

It's called "optimism"...the feeling already had a word ascribed to it and a far more apt one than the lamer terms used by cranky old ESLers in Korea.

Now I'm a troll, right? Rolling Eyes
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turtlepi1



Joined: 15 Jun 2004
Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE

PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I had promised myself I wouldn't chime in on this...and managed to ignore the thread but fate appears to conspire against me...

I've been thinking about this quite a bit since I started teaching in Korea. I've taught for about 6 years in Canada and while I thought I would like to smack a few mouthy kids I never had. Not because I would "get in trouble" but because it's wrong.

Fast forward to Korea. I am the only native-teacher at my school. The Korean teachers hit the students. One teacher hits them HARD both when he is mad at them and when he is playing with them. The other feels bad when he hits them but feels it is the only way to get their attention.

To be quite honest if I saw a native-speaker beat a child like they do I would punch him in the snout without thinking about it. On the other hand this is Korea and the Korean teachers understand the culture and it won't change over night.

While debating this in my own mind, first I came across this thread then the conversation of yesterday. (weird timing)

The students were having a bad day and the rulers came out. After a rather hard hand spanking one of the Korean teachers came out and was talking to me about it. He said ...the students had been there for 2 years. At first they were very good at doing homework. Then over time they stopped doing homework... His next comment was rather insightful...I think the students would rather have a minute of pain and an extra hour or two in the evening to relax.

So he understands the shortcomings of beating children but unfortunately the solution seems to be hitting them harder instead of finding ways to motivate them. As for me I won't tell them they are wrong outright but I will continue to make them think about what they are doing and try to introduce new classroom control techniques over time.
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

turtlepi1 wrote:
His next comment was rather insightful...I think the students would rather have a minute of pain and an extra hour or two in the evening to relax.


A lot of my students think I'm meaner than the k teachers as I have no qualms with holding them back after class for punishment. Infact I had one kid asked to be hit rather than do lines.
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Apple Scruff



Joined: 29 Oct 2003

PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Badmojo wrote:
You don't hit students. I don't think it accomplishes anything. I'll never forget the day I had half of my class coming in crying because their math teacher hit them fifteen times with a stick for doing poorly on a test. I was disgusted that day. You know, the thoughts went through my head... what is wrong with these people?


Hitting kids because they did poorly on a test is one thing. Hitting kids because they say "Puck you, teacher" and then punch you in the balls is pure rapture.

Stupid kids.

Razz
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