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How the heck do you teach "a" and "the"?
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ajuma



Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!

PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks matthewwoodford for giving me something to think about besides hospitals and jails!!! Although it IS kind of fun to try to hammer out the rules in our native language (languageS for you wylde!)

Bush is a language moron (not saying a thing about his politics on this thread!). He mispronounces nuclear and makes so many grammar and language mistakes it's embarrassing. When someone asked his ... press secretary I think...if he would make any of these mistakes in the debate, the sec. said "I bet he will" like it was something to be proud of!

No such thing as THE nature!
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wylde



Joined: 14 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajuma wrote:
Thanks matthewwoodford for giving me something to think about besides hospitals and jails!!! Although it IS kind of fun to try to hammer out the rules in our native language (languageS for you wylde!)

Bush is a language moron (not saying a thing about his politics on this thread!). He mispronounces nuclear and makes so many grammar and language mistakes it's embarrassing. When someone asked his ... press secretary I think...if he would make any of these mistakes in the debate, the sec. said "I bet he will" like it was something to be proud of!

No such thing as THE nature!


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tell me what you do in prison?

if it is ok to say in prison, there is no reason to say in hospital is wrong



well? Razz
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ajuma



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem is...the only time I was in A prison was when my credit union was there and I went to get a loan!!! YOU on the other hand seem to have had a more personal experience!! Wink
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wylde



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shh
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yoda



Joined: 19 Jan 2003
Location: Incheon, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This'll be the last time I argue this: It is because of abstraction. Abstract nouns don't need articles (usually) and school is sometimes an abstract noun and sometimes a concrete noun.

School is boring. School is abstract. It represents learning, classes etc.

The school is burning down. Note the use of 'the'. Here the school is a concrete noun. THE ACTUAL BUILDING.

Abstract nouns don't need articles. School and church can be both concrete and abstract.
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ajuma



Joined: 18 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yoda!! I bow to your superior wisdom!! And yeah...that makes sense!! "Location" didn't make much sense to me, but "abstract" I understand! Thanks. Americans don't see "hospital" as abstract. Satisfied wylde?

(Which, unfortunately means you "win"...but there's always next time!)
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wylde



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

how's this dogbert?

i think i'm going to hospital today Confused




ps ajuma, americans don't see a lot of things Razz
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ajuma



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...to be admitted for the DT's!! Laughing
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found a book to help in teaching the use of articles. It has 50 separate lessons because it lists 50 different grammar rules for the correct usage of 'a', 'an' and 'the'.

I was stunned. I had no idea it was that complicated. The only rule I remembered from grade school was the one about using an article with a noun.

And now I tell my beginning students to not worry about the articles when they speak. Remembering vocabulary, getting the verb tense right and using some intonation are enough things to worry about for beginners.
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matthewwoodford



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Post those rules, go on, please.
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