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Shutterfly



Joined: 02 Sep 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:52 pm    Post subject: is my student dead? Reply with quote

I am teaching youner elementary students, however theycommunicate very well and understanding most of what i say.. except for one student. When i ask her a question she just looks at me, eveb if it is as simple as "how are you today"?... she just stares until another student tells her what to say. I dont think she even knows her alphabet, when i ask her to write a word, and spell it out for her (ex. g-r-e-e-n) she again stares blankly, when i write the letters on the board, she still doesnt know what to do. I have to (literally) hold her hand while writing the letters.
Now, i have approached the other teachers and the director about this and asked if she is having problems in the korean teachers class, or if she is a bit behind the other students, andtehy adamently say "no, she is ok"...hmmm. It is frustrating. My other students in the class i can have simple conversations with and their writing skills are very good. But this student is holding back my classes.. My school obviously doesnt want to adress the situation or dont care. What should i do? any input would be helpful! -shutterfly
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She could be just extremely shy. I had a students who's english was excellent, but she would never speak in class- ever. It was only when she pulled me aside after class to ask something that I realized.
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I_Am_Wrong



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

some students are just really shy. I have some students that will just sit there and giggle when I ask them something and they will cover their mouth but are excellent at english. I also have some students that don't know the alphabet and require extra help (which isn't always possible for many of the not-rich students at a public school).
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Shutterfly



Joined: 02 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have considered that as a possibility, hyowever she doesnt seem shy, she blabbers on in korean, i cant get her to be quiet half the tim, and she is active withtheother stuentsand in the other classes. she hugs me all the time and things, but when it come time to Do something, she islike a deer caught in headlights!.... the calss is far too advacned for her, how do i approach my director, with surefire results of change?
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreans, particularly Korean kids and particularly Korean females, live by the motto "the nail that sticks out gets hammered down."

This one starbucks I go to, the woman there speaks flawless english. She claims never to have lived abroad. Sometimes I like to close my eyes when she speaks english because she has no accent and you'd swear she was born in Canada. Anyway, I noticed when other Koreans appear, she suddenly switches to Korean...

Women in particular don't want to appear too know it all. They'll never find a good husband etc.
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manlyboy



Joined: 01 Aug 2004
Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia

PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:54 pm    Post subject: Re: is my student dead? Reply with quote

Shutterfly wrote:
I am teaching youner elementary students, however theycommunicate very well and understanding most of what i say.. except for one student. When i ask her a question she just looks at me, eveb if it is as simple as "how are you today"?... she just stares until another student tells her what to say. I dont think she even knows her alphabet, when i ask her to write a word, and spell it out for her (ex. g-r-e-e-n) she again stares blankly, when i write the letters on the board, she still doesnt know what to do. I have to (literally) hold her hand while writing the letters.
Now, i have approached the other teachers and the director about this and asked if she is having problems in the korean teachers class, or if she is a bit behind the other students, andtehy adamently say "no, she is ok"...hmmm. It is frustrating. My other students in the class i can have simple conversations with and their writing skills are very good. But this student is holding back my classes.. My school obviously doesnt want to adress the situation or dont care. What should i do? any input would be helpful! -shutterfly


I've got a couple of kids who are mildly retarded and really should be in a special ed program. I was taking some extra time with one of them the other day, when my co-teacher interrupted and said "don't bother with him, he's a little bit retarded". It was a harsh way to put it, and my gut reaction was think "how insensitive", but she was right. You can't hold everyone else up because one kid has a learning disability. To help those kids you've got to go above and beyond, and devote your out of class time to them. And it's really not a teacher's place to do that. I mean, I care about the kids, and I want to help, but it's unreasonable expecting me to be a social worker.
It sounds like your kid's got a psychological problem. In that case she needs a therapist, not a teacher. The only thing I can think of to deal with that is to be as kind and friendly as possible so that she feels comfortable and at ease enough with you to maybe one day open up a bit. I'm sure you're doing that already though.
You could try playing team games, like a chain drill race, where it's absolutely necessary for her to speak in order for her team to win.
Team of six: Student 1 - "How are you"? ; Student 2 - "I'm fine. How are you"? ; Student 3 - "I'm fine. How are you"? until all six have spoken. Winner gets a treat. She'll be encouraged to speak by not wanting to let her friends down.
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JAMZ



Joined: 18 May 2004
Location: Ori Station, Bundang

PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i got a kid in one of my classes who is really shy like that... she literally hasnt said one word to me since i've started teaching her... she hardly ever responds to the other kids as well. Even when she does speak to them it's very quietly. They actually nicknamed her "silent" cause she hardly talks.... i think in cases with extremely shy female kids there's probably some very traditional, strict korean parents behind it... its like what mindmetoo said "the nail that sticks out.... etc."
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captain kirk



Joined: 29 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That'd be Roy at our haggie. He's all inward. He communicates by looking. Like a mute.
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Apple Scruff



Joined: 29 Oct 2003

PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got several girls of varying ages (8-15) that are so shy and so apprehensive to make any effort to do anything that I have lost all pity and curiosity towards them and now have a bit of anger about the whole issue. They're utterly useless and are even a distraction because their crippling shyness/retardation/I-don't-know-what is a target for ridicule from the class. I've stopped calling on them because their refusal/inability to respond to anything just attracts whispering and giggling from others. So now it's just the equivalent of having a corpse in the class.

No joke, but there's probably some kind of physical/sexual abuse happening in these cases.

Guess I'm no help to the OP, either.
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Shutterfly



Joined: 02 Sep 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, i really thinkt hat she has a learnign disability. I am just having a difficult time witht he schools inability/refusal to acknowledge this. No matter how i try to go about it , she slows the rest of hte kids down, (kindergarteners, you know how they are, if one student doesnt participate, NONE of them do)......thanks for your input though
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agraham



Joined: 19 Aug 2004
Location: Daegu, Korea

PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had one girl in one of my classes that was so silent it made me crazy. Then, the classes got rearranged and suddenly she was great.
As it turns out, so was being bullied by the clique of obnoxious popular girls in the first class. Once she got away from them she wasn't afraid to speak.
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Shutterfly



Joined: 02 Sep 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow
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ajuma



Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!

PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you tried changing the seating arrangement? Watch to see who she hangs out with before or after class and seat her next to her "best friend." If she's sitting amongst perceived enemies, she may not want to talk.
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Alyallen



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have one student who has never spoken English in class. It turns out that even at her school she is basically silent. I usually have her write her answers down. It sucks that she chooses to not speak but I think that if her written work is good, then she is paying attention and is taking time out to study even if she may never say a word of English.

As for the op, if she can't even write the words down and she talks in Korean, I would have to say that she doesn't study and probably has no interest in being there. I would ignore her to some degree and perhaps focus on her written work. She sounds like she is in a class that is way too advanced for her and perhaps she acts that way to avoid looking foolish?
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