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Why are jobs so hard to come by for male teachers now?
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_beaver wrote:
ryleeys wrote:
Korea's got alot to offer in many places.


No it doesn't.


Yes it does Very Happy
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I_Am_Wrong



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: whatever

PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There were a ton of jobs when I was looking in September and August. I had several recruiters offering me 4 or 5 different jobs in different locations. I did turn down jobs that offered 2.0 and 2.1 in Seoul for a job that offered 1.9 in Suwon. Why? I didn't want to live in Seoul because it's way too big and way too polluted with smog. I wouldn't rule out other cities because there are a lot of good ones out there. Suwon, Osan, Ansan, and Incheon are all close enough to Seoul and a lot of people absolutely love both Busan and Deagu. Suwon has a million people in it and is absoluely huge anyways.

You should be able to get a good job in Korea, just stay open minded and relaxed (and no more flaming skateboarder fruitbooter...hehe). There are some people who might not hire you based on your skin colour and that sucks but there are a lot of ESL teachers who work here who have darker skin and lots who have aussie/kiwi/brit accents. Remember to let them know you're a native speaker with a clean north american accent, you're young and energetic, and that you know Korean (that's your best card). I hope you like kids if you're coming to teach here (and let them know that you really enjoy being with kids). You might only get 1.9 and you might not get Seoul but that shouldn't matter if you're coming here to TEACH. peace.
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Paji eh Wong



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why are jobs so hard to come by for male teachers now?


This is a worthwhile question.

Anyone care to speculate on why schools demand female teachers versus better qualified teachers?

Have any of the male posters applied for a job that says "female only" and gotten it?
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sistersarah



Joined: 03 Jan 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think a lot of directors just think that females can better deal with young kids, maybe less risky (both untrue)....hard to say. my school is trying to replace me now and specified that they want a female north american teacher....crazy Rolling Eyes .....but works to my advantage Cool
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 5:27 am    Post subject: yes Reply with quote

My friend's old school would not hire male Korean teachers and would not hire female foreign teachers.

But it's Wonderland, and I would only wish that on my worst enemy.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sistersarah wrote:
i think a lot of directors just think that females can better deal with young kids, maybe less risky (both untrue)....hard to say. my school is trying to replace me now and specified that they want a female north american teacher....crazy Rolling Eyes .....but works to my advantage Cool


I know one Korean teacher in another school and she was saying one of the big things they were looking for was a non-drinker. Their last teacher, a Kiwi, they had to get out of jail because when he drank he'd start fights.

I think they keep revising their warning signs based on bad experiences they've had in the past ("Okay, people who wear hats don't hire because that last guy who wore a ball cap was nothing but trouble!") She claimed they looked favorably on people who said they were Christians as they felt this meant they didn't drink. Ok. They found a Canadian Catholic. Uh huh. I wish, at this point, he was Irish so the irony in this anecdote was all that more palpable. I did let her know that Canadian Catholics are not exactly known for their avoidance of alcohol, as many, especially those of the Eastern Rite (ie from Newfoundland), consider drinking something of a religious duty.

She claimed he swore he didn't drink. Uh huh. Then she went on to say he spent several summers doing tree planting in Northern Ontario. That's when I nearly fell out of my chair laughing because you can't be a tree planter if you don't drink and smoke a lot of pot.

So, returning to the point, maybe they just feel female teachers are more docile and will show up the next day. They're not girl crazy. 23 year old males who have a lot of disposable cash for the first time in their life and turned loose among a bevy of beautiful exotic women with only the freshest of ovaries is recipe for disaster.


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Us in DC



Joined: 22 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My guess is that if directors can be choosy, and presumably with the economy getting worse and people still wanting to come here, they can, then they are going to take the parent's ideal of what they think the teacher should look like. This is a North American female. Also, maybe they think females are less likely to go out and party every night? I don't know about that last one.

If I were the OP I would set up a standard list of wishes and decide which ones I am willing to negotiate on and which ones I am not.

IE.
Area - Any (obviously negotiable)
Pay - 1.9-2.1 neg.
Hours - 12-10 somewhat neg.
etc.

But the whole Ivy League thing (if I read that correctly, is obnoxious). Both my bf and I went to top tier schools that aren't Ivy League and I have to say that the name recognition as opposed to other schools which are just as good is plain irritating. But then again being discriminating against for being Asian American is too. So I guess it balances the scales a bit.
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Son Deureo!



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Us in DC wrote:
But the whole Ivy League thing (if I read that correctly, is obnoxious). Both my bf and I went to top tier schools that aren't Ivy League and I have to say that the name recognition as opposed to other schools which are just as good is plain irritating.


Irritating as it may be, if the OP really has graduated from an Ivy League school, this would carry a lot of weight with hogwon owners, and he would be a fool not to play it up.
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Thunndarr



Joined: 30 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Responding to the OP: Yes, jobs are harder to get at the moment. Also, you can safely ignore the Arbiter, he seems to have a problem with newbies in general, plus an ego with its own gravitational pull and an inability to admit when he's wrong (despite extensive proof.)
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CustomX



Joined: 25 Aug 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I appreciate those who have actually responded with useful feedback. BTW, i didnt graduate from an Ivy league school, nor did I ever make any claim to. My question just came from an obvservation after looking at jobs for the last few months. I've only been able to apply for jobs for a week, ever since my diploma arrived.

Somebody had mentioned that parents dont feel as comfortable with a male teacher. The recruiter mentioned this and said there was a male teacher who had gotten a little too friendly (she said just a lot of hugging and physical contact, nothing sexual) with elementary kids (i was expexting her to say high school). At this point I'm just going to keep waiting for the right position rather than settle for something just because things are a little hard right now. Thanks again
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The Man known as The Man



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paji eh Wong wrote:
Quote:
Why are jobs so hard to come by for male teachers now?


This is a worthwhile question.

Anyone care to speculate on why schools demand female teachers versus better qualified teachers?



The Director wants the new teacher to be his breast friend.

HTH
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Man known as The Man wrote:
Paji eh Wong wrote:
Quote:
Why are jobs so hard to come by for male teachers now?


This is a worthwhile question.

Anyone care to speculate on why schools demand female teachers versus better qualified teachers?



The Director wants the new teacher to be his breast friend.

HTH


Ha. Yes. When I was at immigration to get my alien card there was this rather loud American woman just tearing her director a new one because she sussed out he had hired her to get himself a hot 'n' sexy american girlfriend (she was no prize, oddly). I'm not sure if she was there to get her alien card too or get her exit paper work done. She listed a bunch of ignorant things he started doing after she spurned his advances, like barging in on her class and telling her she's doing things wrong in front of the kids.
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Paji eh Wong



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sistersarah wrote:
i think a lot of directors just think that females can better deal with young kids, maybe less risky (both untrue)....hard to say. my school is trying to replace me now and specified that they want a female north american teacher....crazy Rolling Eyes .....but works to my advantage Cool


I can see some logic behind wanting women for kids classes.

How about all of those business classes I see that say "female only"?

It seems to me that koreans advertise for their ideal candidate, as opposed to someone who can do the job, more so than at home. I'm just wondering if all of those "female only" stipulations are iron clad.

Anyone get around this?

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Somebody had mentioned that parents dont feel as comfortable with a male teacher. The recruiter mentioned this and said there was a male teacher who had gotten a little too friendly (she said just a lot of hugging and physical contact, nothing sexual) with elementary kids (i was expexting her to say high school).


Recruiters are not to be taken seriously.
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peemil



Joined: 09 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah... Why do you want to go to Seoul? Dirty hole of a place.
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Mankind



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Anyone care to speculate on why schools demand female teachers versus better qualified teachers?


As I stated in another thread. In the business end of things, they are becoming all the rage, because the guys just want to stare at 'big American breasts'. Many hope to do more than just look later.

Hogwans? Not sure. Maybe the maternal thing? Would you hire a male nanny?

HAND Smile
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