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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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This is far from unknown in Korea and it is not hidden either.
Korean sources consistently refer to one princess from India (allegedly from the Kingdom of Ayuttha (sp)), not of multiple migrations and intermarriage.
Here is a typical reference, which is taken from a passage on the history of the Heo surname (which family the princess is alleged to be the matriarch of):
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�㾾�� 48�� ������ ���οպ��� ��������(�������) ��Ȳ���� ����Ÿ��(�ε��� �� ����) ������ ���ַμ� 16���� �迡�� ��ž�� �ư� ������ �泲â���� �ɵ��� ������� �ִ� ���δ����� ���� ������ �ߴµ� ����ο��� �պ�� �����Ͽ���.
���ο��� 10�� 2�డ �־��µ� �պ� �ڽ��� ���� �Ŀ� ������ ������ ������ �������� �� �Ƶ��� ���� ������ �Ͽ� �츮���� �㾾�� ���ʰ� �Ǿ���. �㾾�� ���� �达, ��õ�̾��Բ� ���� �����̶�� ��ģȸ���� '�����߾���ģȸ'�� ����� �̿� �����ִ�.
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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everytime I hear this story it makes me laugh..
yeah the story of TAN GOON the man from the heavens who created korea is also a funny tale..
anyway.. ADULT KOREANS they know they are mongolian/chinese, russian
ask any intelligent korean and thats what they will tell you..
its pretty ignorant to think you a pure!! I had some kids who though they were.. until I explained to them.. so.. how did korea begin?
and they reply some settlers would have came from china and found korea..
OHH REALLY!!! and were they korean?????
puzzled look on faces  ummmm well they would have been chinese!
but they are korean now.. hahhhahah
they are dead now!!!
you are chinese blood..
then they think I am attacking them, and get into my trouble..
WELL WELL teacher what about chinese people.. they are not pure!!
thats RIGHT!!!! so where did they come from????
becuase where ever they came from.. you also came from!!!
want to go to double jeopardy where the scores can really change!!
so you are not pure anymore are you..??
hahahahha I love korean kids,., |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 1:09 am Post subject: |
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As I've said before:
I've been drinking Korean blood for years. It's quite pure. |
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shakuhachi
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:08 am Post subject: |
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| No other nation today besides those two can claim such a long history of resistance to assimilation. |
With respect, I strongly disagree with that statement.
Koreans have often adopted foreign customs and culture, to the extent of using chinese characters, using those characters to write their names, adopting the chinese system of government as well as making chinese confucianism their state ideology, to many people voluntarily changing their names to a mongolian one when the mongols took over china (and thus Korea), changing their names again voluntarily to Japanese names when the Japanese were in control, and enthusiastically adopting Japanese culture and modernism.
Although the Koreans have a history of chauvinism, it cant be said that they have a 'long history of resistance to assimilation' when such a statement flies in the face of the facts. |
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matthewwoodford
Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Location, location, location.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:16 am Post subject: |
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| English words and both American and Japanese fashions are also enthusiastically adopted here, but Koreans are still very nationalistic. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:01 am Post subject: |
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| Korea has managed to maintain a political identity for a long time, but as far as I can tell they haven't tried to keep a distinct cultural identity. As the others have mentioned, Korea has absorbed enormous amounts of other cultures, which is a healthy thing. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| manlyboy wrote: |
| Apart from the Jewish nation, they are highly distinct from other peoples and cultures in this respect. No other nation today besides those two can claim such a long history of resistance to assimilation. |
What about the Khmer of Cambodia? I see similarities. Their story of origin is that they are descended from an Indian princess. Racism underlies their national pride so much. The khmer rouge's main aim was purification of the population, and keeping Thais or Vietnamese "joons" out of their country one of their priorities..their nationalist pride is fierce. A couple years back it took an offhand remark deemed an insult by a Thai actress on TV, to cause spontaneous rioting and burning of the Thai embassy in Phnom Penh.
Cambodia is 96% ethnically "pure"- an astonishing figure for a country with 3 neighboring land borders- Korea has only one.
* i love teeling koreans that scientists have proven we are all descended from a single African mother, millenia ago. |
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tommynomad
Joined: 24 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 5:04 am Post subject: |
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| rapier wrote: |
* i love telling koreans that scientists have proven we are all descended from a single African mother, millenia ago. |
Me, too: "We are all Africans." And watch them gasp. Though my smug canadian self had to take a step back last summer when discussing it back home, and an enlightened, educated (or so I thought) canadian woman said:
"I just don't buy that. I mean, I know _I'm_ not black." Ick. Just remembering her face as she said it: she was repulsed.
And then I was: definition of ugly, that face. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 8:15 am Post subject: |
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...........and highly flammable.
Actually, there is a story about the royalty of the ancient Korean kingdom of Kaya - that they brought their wives over from India.
Most people thought it was a myth, until earlier this year, a group from SNU were digging up tombs to look at the pottery, etc. and some bright spark decided to do some genetic testing on the human remains that they found inside (princes from Kaya). Low and behold - they found a bunch of Korean royalty form some 2000 years ago with what seems to be DNA that orriginated in South or South East Asia.
The pure blood thing was used under the Japanese occupation to fuel nationalism and national unity. It was used by the dictator governments in the South to discourage anti-government activities. Park Chung-hee in particular funded quite a bit of research that was aimed at rewriting Korean history (that up until then had mostly been written by Japanese scholars) - and aimed to prove the linear succession of the Korean state from an original country some 5000 years ago.
Scholars today (Korean) are trying to show the public that the Korean peninsula has gone through many changes over the melinia; that even the three kingdoms were unique, culturally independent and ethnically diverse states (therer were musilims from Iran in Shilla, blond persians in Kogoryo, Indians in Kaya, etc). Korean society, however, has largely been conditioned to believe a false history thanks to the dictators of the past. |
Wow, that's fascinating! Blond Persians are of Arayan decent right?
My background is Ukrainian (both sets of great grandparents immigrated to Canada from there), and the funny thing is that I was born with blond hair and blue eyes (my hair has since turned brown).
I later found out that Vikings settled near the Black Sea and the Carpathian Mountains from the 9th-11th century, and hence my Aryan features.
However, the familly name on my father's side is Tymitz (which was later changed into an Anglo name - damn Brits  ), and that doesn't sound Scandanvian to me.
Anyways, exploring your lineage is a lot of fun and I urge everybody to try it. |
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yangban
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The Great Green Pacific Northwest
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:21 am Post subject: |
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| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
As I've said before:
I've been drinking Korean blood for years. It's quite pure. |
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Sliver
Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: The third dimension
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Was gunna do the search but Dogbert has done the deed. The Suro tomb is in Kimhae where I lived three years ago. Have always been able to discount Koreans that tell me they have pure blood through reference to this.
Yes they have pure blood, and a lot of them have beta allergy too.
What cr*p! |
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manlyboy
Joined: 01 Aug 2004
Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| shakuhachi wrote: |
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| No other nation today besides those two can claim such a long history of resistance to assimilation. |
With respect, I strongly disagree with that statement.
Koreans have often adopted foreign customs and culture, to the extent of using chinese characters, using those characters to write their names, adopting the chinese system of government as well as making chinese confucianism their state ideology, to many people voluntarily changing their names to a mongolian one when the mongols took over china (and thus Korea), changing their names again voluntarily to Japanese names when the Japanese were in control, and enthusiastically adopting Japanese culture and modernism.
Although the Koreans have a history of chauvinism, it cant be said that they have a 'long history of resistance to assimilation' when such a statement flies in the face of the facts. |
Good points. What I'm saying is that in spite of all the things you mentioned, they are still standing. They have not been absorbed by Russia, Japan or China, like so many other foreign states were. History is full to the brim with empires that integrated smaller nation states into their own way of life. The British and the Arabs were adept at it. The Romans were masters at it. And yet of all these powerful expansionist empires that have existed throughout history, only one still exists today - the Chinese.
The Chinese are one of the greatest, if not the greatest, appropriate-and-assimilate empire that has ever existed. And they have been going at it with the Koreans since day one! Over a millenia ago they started out as a tribe on a riverbank, and the huge nation state we know as China today is a direct result of what they started. They have absorbed countless numbers of foreign peoples whose descendents today are truly "sino-fied". But not so the Koreans, who have not only had to contend with them, but with several other powerful empires' attempts to absorb them as well.
The most powerful reminder of this for me is language. Language is the cornerstone of all culture, and Koreans have successfully resisted all attempts by foreign powers to widely impose an alien language on them. Many others tried to do that and failed.
The fact that an independent nation state exists at all on the Korean peninsula surrounded by three of the most powerful and ambitious nation builders in recent history is alone a powerful argument for the idea of a strong sense of resistance amongst Korean people. |
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coolsage
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul
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| Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 8:06 am Post subject: |
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[quote="manlyboy"][quote="shakuhachi"]
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| No other nation today besides those two can claim such a long history of resistance to assimilation. |
With all due respect to the Koreans, how about the inhabitants of Finland? Just thought I'd add some perspective. |
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indiercj
Joined: 30 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 8:36 am Post subject: |
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I never heard anyone talk about 'our pure blood(��������?)'. Maybe about �ѹ��� from time to time but that's it. |
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coolsage
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 10:37 am Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
This is far from unknown in Korea and it is not hidden either.
Korean sources consistently refer to one princess from India (allegedly from the Kingdom of Ayuttha (sp)), not of multiple migrations and intermarriage.
Here is a typical reference, which is taken from a passage on the history of the Heo surname (which family the princess is alleged to be the matriarch of):
��(��)���� ����
�㾾�� 48�� ������ ���οպ��� ��������(�������) ��Ȳ���� ����Ÿ��(�ε��� �� ����) ������ ���ַμ� 16���� �迡�� ��ž�� �ư� ������ �泲â���� �ɵ��� ������� �ִ� ���δ����� ���� ������ �ߴµ� ����ο��� �պ�� �����Ͽ���.
���ο��� 10�� 2�డ �־��µ� �պ� �ڽ��� ���� �Ŀ� ������ ������ ������ �������� �� �Ƶ��� ���� ������ �Ͽ� �츮���� �㾾�� ���ʰ� �Ǿ���. �㾾�� ���� �达, ��õ�̾��Բ� ���� �����̶�� ��ģȸ���� '�����߾���ģȸ'�� ����� �̿� �����ִ�.
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Are you posting in Korean because you have a grasp of the language, or because you're smug about having a grasp of the language? In any case, I believe that this is an English Language Forum, not a forum for you to display your newly-minted Korean skills. I'm sure that there are appropriate forums for that, but this is not one. |
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