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harri2002

Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Location: Earth
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 10:53 am Post subject: |
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I don't know if Koreans are more mixed than the Japanese or Chinese. But in my family there is this tale that my great-great-great-grandmother may have been from India. My dad told me that his grandmother who died in 1950's had curly hair, tall caucasian features and so he believes there was someone along the bloodline from India. I do see Koreans on the streets who look like they have mixed blood a lot.  |
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Ryst Helmut

Joined: 26 Apr 2003 Location: In search of the elusive signature...
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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This is far from unknown in Korea and it is not hidden either.
Korean sources consistently refer to one princess from India (allegedly from the Kingdom of Ayuttha (sp)), not of multiple migrations and intermarriage.
Here is a typical reference, which is taken from a passage on the history of the Heo surname (which family the princess is alleged to be the matriarch of):
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�㾾�� 48�� ������ ���οպ��� ��������(�������) ��Ȳ���� ����Ÿ��(�ε��� �� ����) ������ ���ַμ� 16���� �迡�� ��ž�� �ư� ������ �泲â���� �ɵ��� ������� �ִ� ���δ����� ���� ������ �ߴµ� ����ο��� �պ�� �����Ͽ���.
���ο��� 10�� 2�డ �־��µ� �պ� �ڽ��� ���� �Ŀ� ������ ������ ������ �������� �� �Ƶ��� ���� ������ �Ͽ� �츮���� �㾾�� ���ʰ� �Ǿ���. �㾾�� ���� �达, ��õ�̾��Բ� ���� �����̶�� ��ģȸ���� '�����߾���ģȸ'�� ����� �̿� �����ִ�.
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Are you posting in Korean because you have a grasp of the language, or because you're smug about having a grasp of the language? In any case, I believe that this is an English Language Forum, not a forum for you to display your newly-minted Korean skills. I'm sure that there are appropriate forums for that, but this is not one. |
We went over this topic (using Korean on this board...actually, any language other than English), and the concensus was that nobody cared, just as long as it didn't detract/interrupt from the topic, and that at least one of the mods would be able to understand it.
I remember some posters posting some right raunchy stuff in russian that was never caught. I can see why people would get in a tuff (whatever a tuff is...) about russian being on the KOREAN discussion forum, but Korean?
Then again, some people don't like feeling left out.
!shoosh
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coolsage
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Ryst Helmut wrote: |
| coolsage wrote: |
| dogbert wrote: |
This is far from unknown in Korea and it is not hidden either.
Korean sources consistently refer to one princess from India (allegedly from the Kingdom of Ayuttha (sp)), not of multiple migrations and intermarriage.
Here is a typical reference, which is taken from a passage on the history of the Heo surname (which family the princess is alleged to be the matriarch of):
��(��)���� ����
�㾾�� 48�� ������ ���οպ��� ��������(�������) ��Ȳ���� ����Ÿ��(�ε��� �� ����) ������ ���ַμ� 16���� �迡�� ��ž�� �ư� ������ �泲â���� �ɵ��� ������� �ִ� ���δ����� ���� ������ �ߴµ� ����ο��� �պ�� �����Ͽ���.
���ο��� 10�� 2�డ �־��µ� �պ� �ڽ��� ���� �Ŀ� ������ ������ ������ �������� �� �Ƶ��� ���� ������ �Ͽ� �츮���� �㾾�� ���ʰ� �Ǿ���. �㾾�� ���� �达, ��õ�̾��Բ� ���� �����̶�� ��ģȸ���� '�����߾���ģȸ'�� ����� �̿� �����ִ�.
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Are you posting in Korean because you have a grasp of the language, or because you're smug about having a grasp of the language? In any case, I believe that this is an English Language Forum, not a forum for you to display your newly-minted Korean skills. I'm sure that there are appropriate forums for that, but this is not one. |
We went over this topic (using Korean on this board...actually, any language other than English), and the concensus was that nobody cared, just as long as it didn't detract/interrupt from the topic, and that at least one of the mods would be able to understand it.
I remember some posters posting some right raunchy stuff in russian that was never caught. I can see why people would get in a tuff (whatever a tuff is...) about russian being on the KOREAN discussion forum, but Korean?
Then again, some people don't like feeling left out.
!shoosh
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I'm not sure whence your 'consensus' derived, but your lapses into other languages do indeed have the effect of leaving people out. My computer doesn't speak Korean (even though it's a Samsung, how's that for irony), and while I'm decently fluent in French and Spanish, I don't break into those languages to make a point here. Let's stick with English; that way we'll be sure to understand one another. |
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tommynomad

Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Location: on the move
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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I couldn't disagree more.
We're in Korea (most of us).
This board is about Korea.
To disallow Korean (either officially or by consensus) is anathema--literally!
Want to read it? Upgrade! (and as Kiwiboy knows--my computer doesn't even have sound, so I'm not comin' atcha from above).
My Korean sucks, but as a global learner, I embrace every opportunity to test my skills. The occasional appearance of �ѱ� on the board is a joy. (Though I suggest--mods?--there ought to be a special forum for discussions/use of the �ѱ� alphabet and �ѱ���.)
I also think your original criticism came off as harsh and authoritarian, coolsage. I hope it wasn't intended that way--your nick suggests it was out of character. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99

Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Location: ...Enlightenment...
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| I can see why people would get in a tuff |
Do you mean "in a huff"? |
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kiwiboy_nz_99

Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Location: ...Enlightenment...
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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I couldn't disagree more.
We're in Korea (most of us).
This board is about Korea.
To disallow Korean (either officially or by consensus) is anathema--literally!
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I agree whole heartedly. |
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edgellskiuk
Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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i have no objection to korean being used on the board. My one concern would be that it stops many people being able to take part in a discussion where the issue isn't the korean language. maybe a translation would allow more people to discuss an issue.
I think a seperate korean language section is a great idea. This would allow people to practice and hone their skills, and not stop the flow of dicussions.
I of course cheat and get my assistant to translate it for me  |
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kiwiboy_nz_99

Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Location: ...Enlightenment...
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| No, a seperate forum for korean would gettoize it. You are not excluded from a conversation by being able to read one part of it. Most people can't read it fluently, and the majority can't write complex long passages in Korean. So the amount of times that this will lead to exclusion or derailed convos is very low. Usually someone posts their Korean and then things just carry on ... |
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edgellskiuk
Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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Kiwi I can see you point , but if a point is being made in a discussion surely even a rough translation is of benefit to the majority. A lot of what is posted in korean would most likely be of interest to non korean speakers and pertinent to the topic at hand, but they will never know so are discluded from the full discussion.
I do not think a "korean language learning or practise" forum would ghettoise it. From my impression of the board, a lot of posters are learning korean so it would be a relativly busy board. I may be wrong, (which is normally the case) but I do not think so this time. |
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FUBAR
Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: The Y.C.
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not sure whence your 'consensus' derived, but your lapses into other languages do indeed have the effect of leaving people out. My computer doesn't speak Korean (even though it's a Samsung, how's that for irony), and while I'm decently fluent in French and Spanish, I don't break into those languages to make a point here. Let's stick with English; that way we'll be sure to understand one another |
You need to download some language patches from Microsoft then.
But the thread is about Korean pure blood. I see no problem with the guy posting a passage in Korean to demonstrate the Korean mindset or to provide more information about Princess Heo. Basically, you are showing that your failure to learn the language is causing you to feel left out. It doesn't mean that the other guy is being smug because he is speaking in a foreign language. Maybe he just assumes that people living in Korea would have a decent grip on reading the language.
Your argument about including Spanish and French passages would be relavent if this were a French or Spanish forum, but it isn't.
A language forum would be great idea, imo. |
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dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: Killbox 90210
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Are you posting in Korean because you have a grasp of the language, or because you're smug about having a grasp of the language? In any case, I believe that this is an English Language Forum, not a forum for you to display your newly-minted Korean skills. I'm sure that there are appropriate forums for that, but this is not one. |
1. Yes, I'm smug
2. The skill is not "newly minted"
3. I was too lazy to translate it. BTW, I have gone to the trouble several times of translating things that other people have posted in Korean on this board.
4. Someone had guessed that Koreans themselves might not be aware of this (Indian princess in Korea) issue, which I thought ludicrous, so I figgered it might drive home the point if I cut and pasted the original source rather than summarizing it in English.
5. I don't think that posting in languages other than English is a TOS violation or even a lesser breach of rules/etiquette.
6. If you bothered to learn Korean, you could be even more of a patronizing ass than you are now! Wouldn't that be keen?
Jeezus Christ, the first part of my message was in English and clued in on what the cut and pasted Korean passage detailed -- what the hell do you have to bitch about? You must be one of these "chavs" I keep reading about. |
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coolsage
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| OK, OK, my bad. I appreciate that there those who want to stretch out in Korean. And why not, indeed? Personally, I haven't found a need to learn much more than 'Survival Korean', probably because I've never pursued a Korean GF. (I do have a Thai wife, and my language studies, such as they are, are moving in that direction these days.) Different motivation. Also, my (psst!) bootleg copy of Win XP doesn't allow for language updates. All I get is squares, or if it comes from Hanmail, gibberish. So feel free to continue to employ Hangul when it seems appropriate. Cheers. |
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manlyboy

Joined: 01 Aug 2004 Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| No other nation today besides those two can claim such a long history of resistance to assimilation. |
With all due respect to the Koreans, how about the inhabitants of Finland? Just thought I'd add some perspective. |
Damn. Think I stirred up a bit of a hornets' nest with that statement.
The Finns, as I understand it, began their history of resistance around 1150 AD when King Erik of Sweden undertook the first of a series of crusades against them. From that point on, the Finns were by and large subjugated by them until around 1700, when Russia assumed a position of great power in the region. In 1808 the Russians defeated the Swedes in the Finnish war, and Finland became an autonomous state with the Czar as it's ruler. They kept their own legislation, and the peasantry were allowed free status. A period of resistance began in 1899, and independence was attained in 1917.
Finland: A history of resistance against a neighbouring enemy (not what you would call a superpower by any stretch of the imagination) for around 500 years. And an 18 year period of resistance against a conquering superpower that had treated them relatively benevolently up until then.
A proud history of resistance - definitely. Is it on par with Korea's who have had to resist three (four if you count the US) frequently brutal superpowers for around two millenia?
I'm not prepared to retract my statement just yet. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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The suicidal death rate was 18.7 for South Korea in 2002, behind only Hungary (23.2), Japan (19.1) and Finland (18.8), according to the OECD.
Suicides Hit Record High in 2003
by Bae Keun-min, Korea Times (September 22, 2004)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/biz/200409/kt2004092214480811860.htm |
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coolsage
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Manly: Fine research on your part. The nearest equivalent to the Korean experience that I could think of, at the time. Now would you care to Google up Belgium? Now there's a place that has changed hands more than a few times in its history. |
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