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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Kangnamdragon wrote: |
| Ironically, one reason I live here is to get away from the rampant "liberalism" of today's America. |
If you think america today is "rampantly liberal", then the correct word for you is not coservative, it's reactionary. |
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dzeisons
Joined: 14 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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| kangnamdragon, the fact that you even considered leaving the usa let alone doing it qualifies you as a liberal. why on earth would you want to leave the best goddamned country in the universe? |
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Universalis
Joined: 17 Nov 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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maybe do a poll for those who have been here over 5 years...I am definately more conservative than most teachers I meet. I am tired of so many Kerry supporters telling me not to forget to vote. They don't even realize that it is possible I would vote for Bush. Most Americans I meet here just assume everyone is more liberal, from what I have seen. |
You know, I try to avoid getting personal around here, but I really can't let this comment slide by with nary a word.
I'm liberal, I support Kerry, and I encourage all Americans to vote regardless of their personal politics. I believe having a high voter turnout makes for a healthier democracy, so if that means I inadvertantly get Bush some votes while I go around encouraging Americans to vote, so be it. And I imagine must liberals in America feel the same way.
So for you to come up here and ridicule Kerry supporters for having the gall to encourage other Americans to vote, I find that to be pretty shallow on your part. I'm sure they realize you might vote for Bush, but again, I doubt they care.
And considering the fact that a GOP funded Get out the Vote drive in Las Vegas is now under investigation for trashing the registration forms of people registering Democratic, maybe you should take some of that outrage over being hounded to vote by your liberal co-workers and direct it towards your own team for engaging in criminal behavior that is doing its damned best to rob people of their right to vote.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/12/213358/59
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coolsage
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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I have found that a lot of people have misconceptions on what "liberal" and "conservative" mean anyway.
I'm planning on staying here for quite a while, and I used to work for the largest syndicated progressive talk show in the U.S. So you could say that I'm definitely not conservative.
If you're just in the "now" mindset, yeah, Korea can socially be maddeningly conservative to a progressively-minded westerner. But one thing that draws me to stay is that this country and region are rapidly changing. It was not always this way, and it will not be this way very soon. My gut feeling is that Korea is socially where America was in the 1950s, adjusting to the new wealth from industrial change conflicting with traditional values. We're seeing that the Korean extended family is turning into the nuclear family. The society is restricted and conformed but there's a yearning to break free from social norms. So, who knows? Maybe Korea is on the edge of a 1960s-like social revolution.
America, though, seems to be in the midst of a conservative contraction that is a feature of great societies at the wane of their Golden Ages. So basically, Korea is where all the fun is if you're interested in this kind of stuff. |
A nicely-encapsulated take on life in this land. |
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coolsage
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Zenpickle wrote: |
I have found that a lot of people have misconceptions on what "liberal" and "conservative" mean anyway.
I'm planning on staying here for quite a while, and I used to work for the largest syndicated progressive talk show in the U.S. So you could say that I'm definitely not conservative.
If you're just in the "now" mindset, yeah, Korea can socially be maddeningly conservative to a progressively-minded westerner. But one thing that draws me to stay is that this country and region are rapidly changing. It was not always this way, and it will not be this way very soon. My gut feeling is that Korea is socially where America was in the 1950s, adjusting to the new wealth from industrial change conflicting with traditional values. We're seeing that the Korean extended family is turning into the nuclear family. The society is restricted and conformed but there's a yearning to break free from social norms. So, who knows? Maybe Korea is on the edge of a 1960s-like social revolution.
America, though, seems to be in the midst of a conservative contraction that is a feature of great societies at the wane of their Golden Ages. So basically, Korea is where all the fun is if you're interested in this kind of stuff. |
A nicely-encapsulated take on life in this land. And my political mind-set, ever since I was old enough to vote, has been 'bleeding-heart liberal'. A quote from Robert Frost here seems appropriate:"I was never a socialist in my youth, for fear of becoming a conservative in my old age." |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| dzeisons wrote: |
| kangnamdragon, the fact that you even considered leaving the usa let alone doing it qualifies you as a liberal. why on earth would you want to leave the best goddamned country in the universe? |
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matthewwoodford
Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Location, location, location.
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:55 am Post subject: |
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| I'm highly educated, intelligent, and rational, therefore it follows naturally that I am a liberal. |
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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| Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 9:43 am Post subject: |
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| kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
| I'm highly educated, intelligent, and rational, therefore it follows naturally that I am a liberal. |
No. |
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tommynomad
Joined: 24 Jul 2004
Location: on the move
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| Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Uh, yeah. Great advice from that link:
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| the global protest movement....foolishly [supports] peace over war. |
Because war hasn't got enough support over the last 4000 years? Or because peace is in and of itself foolish? Either way, if that's your conservatism, you can have it.
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| Mr Schaffer said he thought that deep down most of the protestors actually agreed with him. |
So grow up and become conservative, kids! Then you too can make assumptions about people's "deep down" ideas.
(This Shaffer guy would make a great Dave's poster.) |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| dzeisons wrote: |
| kangnamdragon, the fact that you even considered leaving the usa let alone doing it qualifies you as a liberal. why on earth would you want to leave the best goddamned country in the universe? |
lower taxes? less govt. regulation? |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
| I'm highly educated, intelligent, and rational, therefore it follows naturally that I am a liberal. |
liberals are high on themselves too. typical elitist attitude |
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matthewwoodford
Joined: 01 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:28 am Post subject: |
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| tommynomad wrote: |
Uh, yeah. Great advice from that link:
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| the global protest movement....foolishly [supports] peace over war. |
Because war hasn't got enough support over the last 4000 years? Or because peace is in and of itself foolish? Either way, if that's your conservatism, you can have it.
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| Mr Schaffer said he thought that deep down most of the protestors actually agreed with him. |
So grow up and become conservative, kids! Then you too can make assumptions about people's "deep down" ideas.
(This Shaffer guy would make a great Dave's poster.) |
Deep down you know he's right. |
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tommynomad
Joined: 24 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| matthewwoodford wrote: |
| tommynomad wrote: |
Uh, yeah. Great advice from that link:
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| the global protest movement....foolishly [supports] peace over war. |
Because war hasn't got enough support over the last 4000 years? Or because peace is in and of itself foolish? Either way, if that's your conservatism, you can have it.
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| Mr Schaffer said he thought that deep down most of the protestors actually agreed with him. |
So grow up and become conservative, kids! Then you too can make assumptions about people's "deep down" ideas.
(This Shaffer guy would make a great Dave's poster.) |
Deep down you know he's right. |
Funny if sarcastic, pathetic if serious. A split response is therefore needed:
Hahahahahahaha!
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Quite the contrary. His attitude sounds like the resigned-to-war-so-we-might-as-well-make-lots-of-$$$-off-it claptrap that too many too-lazy/docile cons spew when they see people who care passionately about waging peace go out and protest, organise, & teach.
I believe peace is possible. I believe it requires hard work and dedication. I believe it requires individual & community action. So I'll go on contributing to such efforts until I die. Beats being an embittered profiteer. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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I'm highly educated, intelligent, and rational, therefore it follows naturally that I am a liberal.
liberals are high on themselves too. typical elitist attitude
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Cons are pretty high on themselves in general, especially the moral majority "holier than thou" crew. They are also elitist, ie if you're not christian, conservative, white, heterosexual, and american, you don't really count.
Funny you should be calling Libs elitist when they are in fact much more egalitarian and inclusive. |
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