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TJ



Joined: 10 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:22 pm    Post subject: Students who won't speak Reply with quote

coolsage wrote:
the eye wrote:
speaking exams are done in private.
I believe that you might be taking the notion of an 'oral exam' too literally.


My suggestion is, if you really care for your students, offer to give her some extra tuition in private. NO, I don't meant what some of you are probably thinking !!!!! Your 'silent' student might just benefit from a little extra help away from the embarassment of other students.

Give it a try. You have nothing to loose except some of your time. The student has everything to gain. You could get a pleasant surprise.
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Len8



Joined: 12 Feb 2003
Location: Kyungju

PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone for your replies. I'll watch out for this student for the next half of the semester, and see if I can give some extra help
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inkoreaforgood



Joined: 15 Dec 2003
Location: Inchon

PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope you didn't make your students stand up in front of everyone to give answers to a spoken test!!

I usually do mine in the office, 3 minutes, then let them go. If they do extremely poor(ie, tell me I'm sorry in Korean, then get upset if I suggest they did poorly), I fail them, but if they put effort into it, then they pass. The first year beginner classes are not really worth anything, as a language class with more than 12 students, let alone 30-50, is not a real language class. I don't know where they get the idea that a class of 30-50 students is a language class.
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ajuma



Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!

PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I give "group" oral exams (3-4 students). They have a week to prepare a conversation that includes the things we've been covering in class. I'm really clear about what I expect, but even if they read the whole thing from a paper, it's only -5 from 30 points. I try to find an empty classroom for their "performance"...and there is safety in numbers! I've NEVER had a student NOT talk during this type of exam!
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Len8



Joined: 12 Feb 2003
Location: Kyungju

PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I give my oral exams in a seperate room, and I try to make it as non threatening as possible. I usually quiz either 3 or 4 students at a time depending on the size of the class, and like adjumah said all of the students usually manage to say something. Even if what they say is only remotley related to the material for the test I still consider it a job well done. They at least tried, and maybe they will remember it as a positive English language experience later in their lives.

The girl I have mentioned in my post though refused to speak. She just looked at me and said absolutely nothing. The other 2 studentd in the test group were relaxed and really tried. You would think that she might have cued herself from them, but no way. I had three types of questions that the students were supposed to prepare for, and there is no way that she wouldn't have known what to do. I told everyone including her that the test would be a speaking test as well.

First time I have ever met somebody like that.
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Cedar



Joined: 11 Mar 2003
Location: In front of my computer, again.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:31 pm    Post subject: Re: tip Reply with quote

ajstew wrote:
To the OP... you might try finding out who the best English student is in the class and getting her (ofcourse it isn't a guy) to find out what is the matter. It's a tactic I use. Well... I find that person at the beginning of the semester, and tell students who may be especially shy to ask that special students questions. You could also write her a letter and give it to her... she could be more comfortable writing you a letter afterwards explaining herself.


No way. Half the time the best students are men. 50/50 in my experience. Maybe you are biased by wanting to look at the women when they speak more...

And for the OP-- look, don't embarass her in front of class. Ignore her. Give her a DAMN low grade, too. You've tried enough.

Oh, and if you say it "tarahaseyo" she may have a hard time understanding anyway... not a T sound my friend...

And for whoever had problems with oral exams being conducted in private, well, this is standard practice. I'd hate to have to see how my other students would behave if I asked them to quietly listen to their classmates as each student did exams, it's much better to do speaking exams in your own office...
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