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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Perhaps there is a point here other than self-esteem. |
Like self respect and not wanting to being treated like a fricken animal maybe? |
Seemed pretty obvious to me, but there are those who just "don't get it".
Or else are exceedingly good (and long-lived) trolls. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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You should have bowed subjectively and said: �˼��Դϴ�! ��! ���³��ۿܱ�����Ӵϴ�!
Or the classic: Thank you, sir, may I please have another? |
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jaebea
Joined: 21 Sep 2003
Location: SYD
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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A friend and myself were on an elevator one day at a downtown office building when two young bucks got on (office workers) and one immediately made a comment in Korean about how he wished those "disgusting foreigners would just get out of Korea." I reached over and hit the emergency stop button and simply said "You should be very careful what you say....some disgusting foreigners can understand you." I then stood between the button panel and him until he apologized....he did and then we rode quietly down....
but never been assaulted physically....not yet |
OWNED!
Nice one .. :)
jae. |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:59 pm Post subject: someone slaps you, kick their ass! |
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Ignore someone who slaps you?
I just so want to meet people who say crap like that in person. I would definately slap some sense into them!
What you should have done the first time he laid a hand on you is kick the crap out of him right then and there.
I had an ajoshi jab me with his finger in the stomach once and I knocked him on his ass. No punch just a used my finger right to his solar-plexus and down he went.
Hows that for affirmative action?
If someone touches you without your consent you have several choices.
1)  touch them back 
2) Ignore it 
3) Call the cops and have them charged with assault 
4) Drop the gloves and introduce them to the IC ward.
Nuff said! |
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JAMZ
Joined: 18 May 2004
Location: Ori Station, Bundang
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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ok im here to comment on the whole analogy to rosa parks... and not ilsanman's response... we all deal with conflict in different ways so to each their own....
ok i dont think the Rosa Parks analogy really applies to this situation.... cause when you look at it we're in their country, and we're not really oppressed or anything like that.... we make more money than the avg. korean and have the choice and ability to leave or stay whenever we choose to.
Im not saying the korean dude acted appropriately im just saying that comparing it to Rosa Parks and the whole equal rights movent is quite the stretch. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Gotta love it....it's "their" country. Abuse away, Korea  |
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JAMZ
Joined: 18 May 2004
Location: Ori Station, Bundang
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| omg i didnt mean its ok for them to abuse foreigners.... all i meant by that statement is that if you look at it from the korean's perspective (not most koreans of course), considering their history, its not inconceivable to see why some koreans are opposed to a foreign pressence in their country..... like i said i dont think its right im just simply stating what an explanation for this type of behavior may be. |
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shakuhachi
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| omg i didnt mean its ok for them to abuse foreigners.... all i meant by that statement is that if you look at it from the korean's perspective (not most koreans of course), considering their history, its not inconceivable to see why some koreans are opposed to a foreign pressence in their country..... like i said i dont think its right im just simply stating what an explanation for this type of behavior may be. |
The real question is why you feel obligated to 'explain' these outrageous actions. Question: Are you Korean? |
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JAMZ
Joined: 18 May 2004
Location: Ori Station, Bundang
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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hehe no I'm not korean and no i dont feel obligated... its just i've been reading this site alot and just see alot of animosity here on this board towards the ignorant koreans out there.... and i think every now and then we got to take a step back and re-evaluate ourselves and the big picture everytime we have a negative experience.... there's alot of other factors at work here as to why Korean culture is the way it is and sometimes we need to understand where they're coming from lest we become anit-korean along the same vein as the korean guy in the subway being anti-foreigner.
Sorry if my being analytical bothers anyone... its just in my nature to do this stuff... i studied cross cultural psychology in university |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Gotta love it....it's "their" country. Abuse away, Korea |
Well there is the difference with Rosa Parks inasmuch as we all have another place to go, she didn't. We are mostly economic migrants, whereas she was a born citizen of the country that would not let her have a seat on the bus. That doesn't mean that people have the right to abuse us, but it does mean that her pain was deeper than ours.
While advocating that people who suffer at the hands of racists anywhere, stand up for themselves, I think comparing Ilsanman's experience of a train-looney with a chip on his shoulder with Rosa Park's stand against the law of the country where she was born, does something of a disservice to her.
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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I would have put him in a painful wristlick for several minutes, ot until I got off the subway.
I had a South African dude try that crap on me in a bar a month or so ago, I put him on his ass. He sent his American GI buddy after me and I let him have it good, then I put the SA arse to sleep. It's been years since I got in a fight, but I would never put up with crap like that. |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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HEHEHE.
Wrist LOCK.
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:55 pm Post subject: yes |
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Some people lack imagination, and can't put themselves in other people's shoes. Pecan, you seem to be one of them.
Thanks guys for your support. Sometimes I feel like a wimp about it, and sometimes like a nice person. Not sure.
He was a true coward. It felt really strange chasing a guy who is bigger than me. If someone smaller than me chased me, I would just stop and let him 'catch me' and see what he can do.
I know if I was not alone, or if I was a big guy like Sparkz or someone, it would never have happened at all.
Sigh, the life of a 173 cm 70 kg man. |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Yoou did nothing to be ashamed of. Being 90kg and 183 cm usually means I have very few encounters with other Koreans. I feel for you bud. I had way too many of thoise experiences growing up and now I often question myself for acting too quick in a situation like that. You probabally did the right thing and never took it over the edge |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Gotta love it....it's "their" country. Abuse away, Korea |
Well there is the difference with Rosa Parks inasmuch as we all have another place to go, she didn't. We are mostly economic migrants, whereas she was a born citizen of the country that would not let her have a seat on the bus. That doesn't mean that people have the right to abuse us, but it does mean that her pain was deeper than ours.
While advocating that people who suffer at the hands of racists anywhere, stand up for themselves, I think comparing Ilsanman's experience of a train-looney with a chip on his shoulder with Rosa Park's stand against the law of the country where she was born, does something of a disservice to her. |
I really can't argue with that.
I brought up Rosa Parks not so much to compare the struggle of which she was a part to our "struggle" against drunks on the subway, but to highlight by metaphor what I viewed as the unsoundness of pecan's advice.
I do, however, believe that we should not just "lump it" because we are "guests" here. Similarly, back home, I don't think that there is any substantive difference in abusing a Korean citizen or a Korean with U.S. citizenship.
I also do not buy the argument that a drunk's inchoate comprehension of some "wrongs" done his ancestors by white-skinned "foreigners" can be used to rationalize behavior. |
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