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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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For all your experience & 'wisdom,' Grotto, you seem to own the title of bitterest man on Daves forums these days.
Congratulations. To what do you owe your success? |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 9:29 am Post subject: sigh |
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| You think you're better than your employer? Think you've got lots of lessons to teach. This is how the world works mate. There are bosses and then there is us. The boss tells us what to do. That is the way the world works. You are just like the rest of the morons you go screaming at their boss over petty *beep* because you think that you are better. |
Did I say I was better than my employer? Do I think I have lots of lessons to teach...hell yes!
My boss asks me what to do....my contract tells me what I have to do! That is the way the 'world' works. If my boss tells me to do something that is not in my contract it is entirely up to me whether I do it or not.
So now I am a moron who runs screaming to my boss over petty crap  
As I stated in my previous posts I calmy, firmly and politely went to my boss and told him that these things are not acceptable. I would not be able to live in an apartment in that condition.
Broken windows, moldy wallpaper, moldy floor with holes, ripped screens. YOU call this petty?  These are basic living conditions 
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| I'd just love you to go screaming at a boss in the West. You'd soon find your bum out on the street. Which is where a lot of you pedantic, stuck up never had to do a day's work, spent all your time drinking and screwing in Uni, go home and cry, think you're better than everyone else, morons belong. |
Guess what rectal probe poster child  In the west your boss wouldnt put you in a craphole! Your boss wouldnt dick you around on the 'definition' of hours(well maybe they would but the labour board is pretty authoritive back home). Your boss back home speaks the same language!
Never had to do a days work in your life.....hhahahahahahhHAHAHAHAHAAHHHAHHAHHHAHHAHAHAHA
Wow Where do you get off saying that How did you say it...when short of money you waited tables or schlepped drinks...wow heavy duty work Maybe there are people over here who have everything handed to them. But there are also those of us who have worked long hard hours. As a tradesman with over 20 years experience I know what hard work is.
People in glass houses should not throw stones |
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natemk
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
Location: center field
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| Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 3:27 am Post subject: |
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boop boop
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
| schwa wrote: |
For all your experience & 'wisdom,' Grotto, you seem to own the title of bitterest man on Daves forums these days.
Congratulations. To what do you owe your success? |
Hi. |
So true! |
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Draven
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| on page 1 Grotto wrote: |
| Spoken like a true roll over and get your belly scratched wimp... |
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| oh dont complain just spread your ass cheeks and take it like a man What a crock of *beep* |
| on page 2 Grotto wrote: |
| More words of wisdom from the colon sucking... |
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| Guess what rectal probe poster child... |
Grotto, do you think spewing invective (it really is a word - look it up!) helps make your argument more persuasive?
Pro tip: It doesn't.
Hope this helps. |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:57 pm Post subject: hmm |
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on the flip side I could argue that it definately got your attention!
I could also point out that you took phrases out of context and posted them in the worst light possible.
Draven when you do my arguing for me I will abide by your wisdom until then:
bite my love muscle  |
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Draven
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:28 pm Post subject: Re: hmm |
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| Grotto wrote: |
on the flip side I could argue that it definately got your attention!
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I suppose you could argue that if you wanted to, but are you sure you want to? Certainly there are better ways of drawing attention to yourself (and it is yourself you're drawing attention to, not your agrument) than resorting to name calling. Hint: After I read your posts, I don't think "Wow, that Grotto, the way he uses those insults really furthers his argument and makes him a much more credible poster." Quite the opposite, actually.
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I could also point out that you took phrases out of context and posted them in the worst light possible.
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I challenge you to show how the bottom 3 quotes look any better in context.
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Draven when you do my arguing for me I will abide by your wisdom until then:
bite my love muscle |
It's not so much wisdom (although I do appreciate the compliment - thank you!), but more of a grounding in the fundamentals (emphasis on fun!) of logic and rhetoric. You should look into those. |
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Kim Jong Jordan
Joined: 13 Mar 2004
Location: The Internet
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm going through people recruit and they have been fine. I'm not in Korea yet but when I talked to the director he gave me the straight dope. He told me that its monday to friday, one day a week I teach a couple kindy's (2 hours), 1.9 won, 19 other foreing teachers, and a bunch of shit that I have heard both good and bad things about. My point is that, I expect Korea to be what I make of it, not what some people on this board think I will make of it. For Chrissakes! I just graduated Uni, have never taught in front of a class before (although I plan on going to teachers college and am using this opportunity to gain some experience and make dough to pay for school). I even read some bad things about my school, but they were written 4 years ago. I'm just saying that, if in general things in the contract seem okay (along the lines of what you wanted), then go with it and learn from your experience. I don't understand how anybody can travel to the other side of the world to work like this and assume that everything will be hunky dorry. You must prepare youself for the worst. If that happens then you expected it, if not than BAM! you are having the time of your life. I just don't think that one can create the perfect employment situation before hand, and if they think they can they will end up on this board posting sob stories. I wish you all the best. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 4:46 am Post subject: |
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(1) I'm going through people recruit and they have been fine.
(2) I'm not in Korea yet but when I talked to the director he gave me the straight dope.
(3). I'm just saying that, if in general things in the contract seem okay (along the lines of what you wanted), then go with it and learn from your experience.
(4) I don't understand how anybody can travel to the other side of the world to work like this and assume that everything will be hunky dorry.
(5) You must prepare youself for the worst. t. |
(I put numbers on some quotes I wanted to reply to)
(1) Of course the recruiter will be fine, as long as you don't leave the school due to repeated violations of said contract.
(2) You are not even in Korea, and yet you are critising people who have been here and know how it works? Come here and work for six months, then post on this forum. You will be singing a different tune.
(3) As for things in the contract being okay, Koreans see contracts very differently than we do in the West. They view a contract as nothing more than "flexible guidelines" not as "set in stone". (Quotes courtesy of The Economist magazine).
(4) This is exactly what you are doing. You are assuming that your director is honest (a big if) you are assuming People Recruit is honest (despite evidence) and you are assuming that your contract will be followed to the letter (again a big if.)
(5) "the worst" is likely what you will find. People Recruit specializes in finding teachers to work for hakwons that can't keep teachers. The one that my friend was at, went through 5 foreign teachers in one year. You may get a 'good' hakwon, but given their track record it's not very likely. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 5:02 am Post subject: |
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Some people on here act like children!
Nate,
I understand in a way how you feel. I ended up having a bad situation as well, although it turned out pretty good in the end.
My school was replacing a teacher that had to go home because of a sick family member. After a month, the person who left decided they wanted to come back to Korea. They contacted the hagwon and told the owner this. So, the owner wanted to "send" (the actual word is sell) me to another school.
I went and visited the other school, which wasn't bad. The director and my boss wouldn't let me ask any questions. I was quite frustrated. I asked to look at the accomodations, which turned out to be the best thing I could have done. When I saw them I just said ok and asked to be taken back to the school. I told them I would not agree to this. I was sent back to my school by taxi.
When I got back to my school, I argued with my director about why I said no to them. I told her that this was their fault. I kept reminding them over and over again of that. Finally, I talked to another coworker who helped me figure out my options. After doing that, I wrote a letter and had a meeting with them.
They ended up releasing me at the end of Feburary and I found a good job in Daegu. They treat me like family and take care of me. I am pretty lucky actually.
My advice is to stand up for yourself. If they can't hold their end of the bargin, then screw them! |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 5:05 am Post subject: |
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I would advise you take all information on this board to mind. wether you heed it or not is entirely up to you.
At the last hogwan i was at i thought that I would form my own opinions. The previous teacher was robbed of 1,000,000 won and i thought that would never happen to me they tried to pull the same crap on me and I am currently taking them to the labour board. I will let people know how that turns out once it is resolved. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Grotto wrote: |
I would advise you take all information on this board to mind. wether you heed it or not is entirely up to you.
At the last hogwan i was at i thought that I would form my own opinions. The previous teacher was robbed of 1,000,000 won and i thought that would never happen to me they tried to pull the same crap on me and I am currently taking them to the labour board. I will let people know how that turns out once it is resolved. |
So what happened? |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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On my last day there they withheld 640,000 from my pay. I went to meet them after my last class but they had ran like rabbits and found a hole. As I was leaving the next morning 5AM I had to time to hunt them down.
My co-worker was also shorted 1,000,000 won on his last cheque.
The lady who worked there the previous year was fired with only 2 weeks to go. They did pay her airfare and year end bonus but they docked her 1/2 a months pay. The kicker is she did not recieve her 2 weeks of holidays so in my books and hers they ripped her off of 1mil.
What happened with me was: they had the new teachers coming in a week early and asked me if I would leave a week early...no problem I still had holiday time left and I would only miss one teaching day.
Their reasoning is that because I left early they deducted for the one teaching day and two weekends and that came out to 400,000 and change. They were also making illegal overtime payments (under the table to me and they conveniently forgot to pay them the last two months) 120,000x2.
It is currently in the hands of the labour board and I will post the results when I get them.
Unlike a fat loser like Joe Thankless who will not get a dime from the labour board because he is a freaking LOSER! |
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