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Things about oreigners' Korean that irk me
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J.B. Clamence



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shakuhachi wrote:
After all, plenty of people here make fun of Koreans


True, but how many people here would do that on a discussion forum where 99% of the people are Korean? And say, "Hey all you Koreans, you all suck at English!" Now imagine the guy doing that was Korean himself. Pretty lame, no?
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Apple Scruff



Joined: 29 Oct 2003

PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shakuhachi wrote:
kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote:
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I commend anyone who makes the effort to learn another language, but mithridates has recently made an occupation out of reminding everyone just how lingually advanced he is. Lay off, dude. We get it.

I don't think that is what Mithridates is up to, and only an insecure person would see it that way ...


True! Quit the Playa hating, Apple Scruff.


Yes, I'm quite insecure. It can only be insecurity that drives me to find irritation in someone who reminds people that he or she speaks nine hundred different languages in every statement he makes.

Hey, folks: whenever I take a piss, it's yellow. If it keeps up, you'll be hearing about it.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know at least one person on this board who excels me by far, and in weird exotic languages too.
Um...I don't think there's anything more to say on that subject; this thread isn't about me, it's just the mirror replica of the 'what irks you about Koreans English' thread, except that this one's about 'oreigners.
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Mashimaro



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: location, location

PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
I know at least one person on this board who excels me by far, and in weird exotic languages too.
Um...I don't think there's anything more to say on that subject; this thread isn't about me, it's just the mirror replica of the 'what irks you about Koreans English' thread, except that this one's about 'oreigners.


you can criticise 'oreans linguistic shortcomings but criticising 'oreigners is taboo apparently Shocked


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Randall Flagg



Joined: 01 Oct 2004
Location: Talkin' trash to the garbage around you

PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great thread. The OP is not ripping on any one individual for their mistakes. It is just a response to that other thread. Some people take way too much offense when non eshould be taken at all. If we can critisize others who are learning a foreign language then we surely are open to the same form of critisism. My Korean sucks but it will improve. Even this thread is helping me improve. Thanks Mithridates. And as far as Mithridates being conceited, that is a crock. As we all know learning languages is not easy. If I could speak a few I'm sure I would let people know about it. I have never got the impression he was bragging or putting himself above the rest of us. Lighten up guys.
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The Hammer



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EVERYBODY RUN!

It's the language police!
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dnamkung



Joined: 09 Apr 2004
Location: Victoria British Columbia

PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great thread. I had the same problem with carrefour. I speak korean pretty well, though my writing is shit. The first week i was in suwon and everyone was telling me about carrefour, so my friends and i decided to cab it there. We get in the cab, and i said in my best french accent, "Carrefour"�ο�.. "Carrefour"�¾�𿡿�?? (where is carrefour) replies the driver.. i tried to koreanize the word.. and i thought.. ��Ǫ was the way to go.. eventually he caught on.. "ahhh...�Ǫ!!!" that crap happens all the time.
As far as the OP being conceited, lighten up. The guy made an effort to learn the language, so have the 40 exchange students that are living here at my uni. Most of them can direct a cab now, order food, and say "������ ����" (lets go to the motel). If you guys are disgruntled about the language, take a class or two. It's amazing how quick people pick up on it.

-Dave "����" Namkung
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice to speak a foreign language well. More people are less advanced of course. It is strange that you have to use the Korean way even when speaking English words. Or maybe not so strange. I guess it is done in all languages? I have heard the Chinese say western names, and it sounds nothing like what an English speaker would say.

Mel Gibson was "May ull Jibb uh son" (and that was a good approximation)
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are two more (I think these are right):

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d503



Joined: 16 Oct 2004
Location: Daecheong, Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:14 pm    Post subject: thank you Reply with quote

I'd just like to thank all who typed out Carrefour in korean. I've heard it said so many times by Koreans and could never quite get what they were saying, I knew what they meant and where I had to get but now I can tell them I got there. Hurrah for me!
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kiwiboy_nz_99



Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...

PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
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My guess is ���ظƱ׷��� ... Surprised
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That would make sense, wouldn't it!
But, when I search under the one I typed you get almost 300 pictures on Google, and none for yours (even though it's closest to the proper pronunciation)...weird. I remember my current gf constantly telling me to pronounce his name the 'proper' way, ee wan mek gu ri gah

But then again I guess Moscow is weird compared to Moskva, and Paris is weird compared to Parii, we seem to be just as bad sometimes.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I first started to learn Korean here I would do it down the local foreigner bar for a beer as well. Anyhow, it would irk me that all the time I would hear, why do you bother, Korean is useless, etc.etc.....

So nowdays, I just do it at home and I don't tell many other foreigners here that my Korean is coming along OK. A few know and I'll help them out but most foreigners attitudes suck.

Why are foreigners so down on others learning Korean????
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shakuhachi



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney

PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just because wrote:
Why are foreigners so down on others learning Korean????


I really keen to know too. In this thread and in others, they seem to think knowlege of Korean (or mentioning you have it) is 'showing off'. With that attitude it no wonder they cant speak Korean. Maybe it has something to do with 'selling out' or something. I dont know. Anyone have any ideas?
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Yangkho



Joined: 22 Sep 2003
Location: Honam

PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shakuhachi wrote:
just because wrote:
Why are foreigners so down on others learning Korean????


I really keen to know too. In this thread and in others, they seem to think knowlege of Korean (or mentioning you have it) is 'showing off'. With that attitude it no wonder they cant speak Korean. Maybe it has something to do with 'selling out' or something. I dont know. Anyone have any ideas?


Some people stay here month after month and year after year, piling up the cash, and meanwhile they don't bother to learn much of the language. They know they should be learning a little bit more. Some of them feel bad about it. They can shake off that feeling by putting the language down--and the people who are working hard to try and learn it. Rationalization, is it called? "I don't need this language. It's not practical. When would I use it outside Korea? You're wasting your time. I'm not."

All of us have done this in one way or the other. Maybe your thing is not having learned a musical instrument when you had the chance, or you're a frustrated writer, or you never kept on your tech stuff. Then it becomes, "Well, Mr. Cool plays ten instruments...but can he understand what Mozart was trying to say?"

Maybe that covers some of the people. As for the rest, I don't know.

I would like to say though, that I don't agree with this attitude that if you're not fluent, then shut up 'cause you don't know what you're talking about concerning matters Korean. I'm not with that. I guess what I'm saying is that, yes, some of the posts by Korean speakers that I have read have exuded snobbery. But very few.
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