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Things about oreigners' Korean that irk me
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Neil



Joined: 02 Jan 2004
Location: Tokyo

PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shakuhachi wrote:
just because wrote:
Why are foreigners so down on others learning Korean????


I really keen to know too. In this thread and in others, they seem to think knowlege of Korean (or mentioning you have it) is 'showing off'. With that attitude it no wonder they cant speak Korean. Maybe it has something to do with 'selling out' or something. I dont know. Anyone have any ideas?


Never experienced this, I hang around with some who study Korean and some who have little interest in learning it and when I use my (at the moment god awful) Korean those in the former group offer advice and those in the latter give encouragement.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neil wrote:
I hang around with some who study Korean and some who have little interest in learning it and when I use my (at the moment god awful) Korean those in the former group offer advice and those in the latter give encouragement.

I don't get negative comments when i use it. Actually, usually when I speak people are Ok with it.

I'm talking about when I'm studying down at the pub or something. Like actual books out studying, that is when I get the negative comments about why am I wasting my time.
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jajdude



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you suppose the korean language might be more "important" outside Korea someday?
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
Do you suppose the korean language might be more "important" outside Korea someday?

Honestly, no.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe only in certain places in China and Japan. The only people I've met who really want to study the language are Japanese students abroad who have Korean friends or a Korean girl/boyfriend, and Chinese businesspeople who want an advantage in dealing with Korea's economy.
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nev



Joined: 04 Jan 2004
Location: ch7t

PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Learning Korean is the best thing I've done here. I feel sorry for those who have been here a few years and don't know much, because they really are missing out on a lot.

Those that are learning shouldn't feel smugly superior - I don't think most of us do - but it is very relieving to be able to deal with non-English speaking Koreans without resorting to pointing and other hand gestures. Korea becomes a much better place when you remove some of the daily frustrations.

And of course Korean is of no use outside of Korea. But are we living outside of Korea? That's a dreadfully poor excuse for not learning it. Those here for only a year I can understand not bothering, but here for three years, four years, etc, are just shooting themselves in the foot.

Back to the original point of this thread:
Referring to a PC �� as a PC Bong.
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nev wrote:

And of course Korean is of no use outside of Korea. But are we living outside of Korea? That's a dreadfully poor excuse for not learning it. Those here for only a year I can understand not bothering, but here for three years, four years, etc, are just shooting themselves in the foot.


actually that's not true either. Korea does a lot of trade with the major english speaking countries. One of my friends back home wished she knew some korean for meetings with korean clients and she's a planner! Like anything I think your knowledge of korean is useless only if you let it be. I think of it as adding to my skill set of stuff I can bring up when I decide to change fields.
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Circus Monkey



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most, if not all major companies in Korea when conducting overseas business trips have at least one person in the group who has a good command of English. Or the host company will sometimes provide a translator. Perhaps, crazy, your pal would have liked to have known Korean better so as to impress the Koreans and then form some kind of bond.
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intergalactic



Joined: 19 May 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back to the OP (and my korean is terrible by the way, but this really annoys me), could we all pronounce 10,000 as the first syllable in 'money', instead of 'MAN' the opposite of woman?? It irks me to hear foreigners talking about ANdong where they spent 4 MAN wons in a yARGWARN.
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crazylemongirl



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Circus Monkey wrote:
Most, if not all major companies in Korea when conducting overseas business trips have at least one person in the group who has a good command of English. Or the host company will sometimes provide a translator. Perhaps, crazy, your pal would have liked to have known Korean better so as to impress the Koreans and then form some kind of bond.


Defintly. But impress the clients means more business for her company it works. All about how you use knowledge.
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Circus Monkey



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crazylemongirl wrote:
Circus Monkey wrote:
Most, if not all major companies in Korea when conducting overseas business trips have at least one person in the group who has a good command of English. Or the host company will sometimes provide a translator. Perhaps, crazy, your pal would have liked to have known Korean better so as to impress the Koreans and then form some kind of bond.


Defintly. But impress the clients means more business for her company it works. All about how you use knowledge.


I suppose. Mind you, you would think that a good product would override that "bonding" part. Heck, if Koreans came over to Canada for business I guess I'll take them to a bar wth a karaoke machine and then rent ouf some hookers.
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casey's moon



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 5:00 am    Post subject: Re: Things about oreigners' Korean that irk me Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
2 - Mixing up ���� and �ݸ�. ������, ����? ��¥?? ������! Or the guy that asks kids ���� �� �߾��? ������ �ؾ���!


Great thread. I do want to argue with this particular point, though... I agree with your first example where ���� would clearly be more appropriate. But talking to students politely (not honourifically) is not a blunder by any means, no matter how old they are. Some modern parents use ���� with their own kids, although not consistently. I'm not saying not to use �ݸ� with kids -- I'm just saying it's not necessarily wrong to use ����, although some more traditional Koreans disagree.
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ladyandthetramp



Joined: 21 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

intergalactic wrote:
Back to the OP (and my korean is terrible by the way, but this really annoys me), could we all pronounce 10,000 as the first syllable in 'money', instead of 'MAN' the opposite of woman?? It irks me to hear foreigners talking about ANdong where they spent 4 MAN wons in a yARGWARN.


We could pronounce it as you suggest, but then we'd still be pronouncing it wrong. Maybe you pronounce "money" a lot differently than everyone I know, though. Razz
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember a Chinese show on China Tv in Seoul before. It was for kids and so the Chinese was quite easy and they hammered away at one concept throughout the whole show, and they had two hosts: a girl about my age and a boy who looked to be about grade six. She would use ���� with him because it would sound funny to have one host talking down to the other.
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casey's moon



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first Korean teacher (she was also my supervisor at my first job in Korea) said that it was wrong to use ���� with kids. But another foreign teacher at the school overused and misprounced the command �غ� and an assistant asked me to tell her to please say "�غ���" as the kids didn't understand the command and it sounded way too harsh. The kids were Korean age 5... My husband also has a tendency to use ���� with kids he has just met, although not with kids he is related to. I use it with all kids, but not in every sentence. For example, I'd rather say, "�ּ���" as lots of mothers use that with their kids (not when they're upset though). But I would probably say "�׷�?" instead of "�׷���?" It's a personal style, I guess...

I hate it when I forget to use the honourific form with an elder, especially someone in the grandparent age category. Most verbs are easy, but every now and then I'm not confident about the honourific form, or I just forget. I feel strange correcting myself too. "������ �Ծ�...... ��̾��?" It's pretty awkward. But I find as long as I do the bowing right, the �ҸӴ�s in my neighbourhood seem to overlook any langugage blunders.


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