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[kiwikid]

It sounds interesting, I'd like to find out more info on it. Where can I get a book or info from? I'm not sure whether it would be suitable for me though if it involves eating a lot of animal products: meat,; cheese etc. I have a gall bladder that regularly plays up and these things in large amounts aggravate it. Any ideas or info appreciated.
cheers

[khyber]

sorry guy.
while you're loosing weight, i think that (unless there's some sort of supplement) it's mostly meat and cheese and a bit o vegies.
sorry guy

but you CAN check out the website in the previous post....that's got it all

[The Den]

Well said Khyber.

[vegetable]

It's kind of sad that we still rely on these things for our food sources. i.e. cheese, milk, meat, etc. Most if not all of these contain toxins because of the processing involved. They have very lttile nutritional value either because of the processing and the cooking at high temperatures that destroys a lot of the nutrients. There are other ways to get fats in your diet through nuts and seeds and oils like olive or soy. These are generally sources of monounsaturated fat. Meat contains mostly saturated fats. The diet would also lack a lot of vitamin and mineral sources as you said earlier. These are things that strengthen our immune system against disease.

eamo wrote

[khyber]

vegetable.
While i appreciate what vegetarianism has to offer, it's "sad to say" but i love the taste of the afforementioned things.

And this is a "diet": meaning, i lose weight while doing it. If you could lose weight only eating tonnes of vegetables with my lifestyle, well...i couldn't do it (as quickly)

nutrients minerals in meat:
B-vitamins, thiamine, riboflavin
and niacin...as well as few others...
iron, selenium, magnesium and zinc
vitamin A.

That is NOT to say that you CAN'T get that stuff in vegetables....but frankly i think meat tastes good.

also, if meat weren't good to eat, we would not have survived on it for centuries.
Note: yes, this diet encourages the use of supplements. It's a diet.
On "low fat" diets....you're always hungry (though you are eating "healthier" food). On THIS diet, you are NEVER hungry and, so long as you follow the included menu, you can even (in some cases) work WITHOUT supplements

As for the acid....let's see...kiwi, lemon, lime, orange...(ANY citrus)...virtually ANY fruit is acidic....since sugar is acidic.
Conversely, meat, that is very fatty, (with fat being basic itself) contains a REASONABLE balance. Correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't "alkaline" mean acidic?

as for the constipation...yes...definate problem.

and for the LAST comment:
It sure would be nice if that were the case but, i since society limits the rolls of fat people (to an extent)...and their OWN bodies limit their extents; insurance companies insist you pay more if you're overweight; the OBVIOUS health risks involved (in a "public health" society)....

Sometimes, it can't simply be a matter of "what I feel comfortable it". It extends MUCH further than just wanting to look better.

[The Den]

Lean beef has only about 50 % saturated fat. It is not mostly saturated fat. Lean beef is also almost as lean as chicken. Also, with Atkins you switch your body over to a fat burning machine as opposed to a carbohydrate burning machine. Therefore you burn that fat for energy which is what your body is meant to do with it. You do not get fat from eating fat. You get fat because you eat too many processed carbohydrates (bread, white rice, pasta, etc at least that is what made me fat), then your body becomes resistant to insulin and becomes incapable of using the carbohydrates as fuel. That is when it starts to store it. The more fat you have around your mid section the more prone you are to obesity, insulin resistance and type II diabetes. Not to mention high blood pressure, heart disease etc. Frankly I gave vegetarinaism a try and lost only minimal amounts of weight. All the while I was doing interval training 4 days a week and lifting weights on non-running days. Since I have cut carbohydrates I have made more progress than I ever have before.

I will never go back to eating a carbohydrate based diet. It does not work for me. I never feel tired in the afternoon anymore. I feel good and have loads of energy. Even after work. I feel like I could go out and party. I used to feel like going home and laying on the couch.

By the way, about the constipation thing. I use psylium fiber to make sure I get enough fiber. It doesn't taste good but it works. I also eat tons of kimchi, cucumbers, spinach, romaine lettuce, garlic, fish, tofu, beans, olive oil etc. So let's disspell the notion that I am barbecuing giant slabs of beef on my rooftop and eating right off the carcass like some kind of animal shall we.

A couple of books I liked on this subject were Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution, by Robert C. Atkins and The Testosterone Advantage Plan by Lou Schuler. Check out the web pages I noted on the previous page for loads more nutritional information. One more general comment. I cannot say enough bad things about the fast food industry. That stuff is crap and if you eat it on a regular basis you deserve to be fat.

[Odysseus]

I lost quite a bit of weight on Atkins but more importantly I was aboe to stop taking medication for type II Diabetes. There are so many benefits to weight loss. The last phase of atkins is quite reasonable and I think the first phase is for those of us who need a radical swing away from carb adiction.

[vegetable]

Khyber,

Hopefully you will live a long time.

[khyber]

it's quality veg...not quantity.
I'd rather die 70yrs old in great health than live 85yrs with all kinds a crazy crap goin' on in my body.

yep...i certainly appreciate the whole low carb diet. Helps a lot of stuff....

[OiGirl]

can anyone tel me how many carbs in miyuk? I don't have the store packaging, just a bagful a friend gave me.

[tomato]

Hello, Khyber!

I recently started a thread on the same topic:

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=27610&highlight=

I hope this helps.

[red dog]

I doubt any reputable health authority would support a diet like that.

http://www.atkinsexposed.org/atkins/135/Corporate_Threat.htm

[The Great Toad]

[tomato]

Thanks, Red Dog!

Here's another interesting anti-Atkins Website:

http://www.atkinsdietalert.org/

However, I wish that the anti-Atkins camp would be more specific about what is thou-shalt-not and what is thou-shalt.

From what little I know, this is how I would rule:

fruits and fruit juices: I can't understand why Atkins rules out fruits and fruit juices. I can understand why he rules out anything with sucrose, but why fructose also?

Fruits and fruit juices are natural, aren't they? There aren't very many fat people in the tropics, are there?

But of course, I'm biased. I've discovered green plum juice since I came here, and I can't resist.

unrefined grain: As you can see from my other thread, you can find unrefined rice, barley, and millet if you read the Korean hard enough.

But Atkins isn't consistent. Sometimes he says cut out refined grains, sometimes he says cut out grains, period.

Since Jolly Pong is like Sugar Smacks, I used to eat Jolly Pong every morning for breakfast. I can live without it now.

unrefined bread: If you look hard enough, you can find grain-flavored bread. I can live without white bread now.

meat: The aforementioned Website takes Atkins to task for cutting down on carbohydrates without cutting down on fat also. Therefore, they advocate vegetarianism as an alternative. I don't know whether I can or not.

How about eliminating fat meat and keeping lean meat? I should probably stop eating bacon for breakfast.

salt: Have you ever noticed that every item of junk food overdoses on either sugar or salt? Most of our prehistoric ancestors didn't have free access to either one, so we haven't developed any instinctive checks against overdosing on either one. I wonder why Atkins warns us against one but not the other.

What do you think should or should not be ����?

[red dog]

Thanks, Tomato. That's a great link. PCRM is a good organization and I think they have the right idea -- ideally we would all eat low-fat diets without animal products, refined foods or additives like salt and artificial flavorings, and we would eat a lot more fruit and vegetables.

I admit I'm not a healthy eater and I urgently need to cut all the processed crap out of my diet and start exercising. But I do my best to avoid animal products for moral reasons, and it makes me sick to see them advocated as health-supporting foods. I simply don't believe animal products are necessary or good for you, even if they have had the fat removed -- they're not what the human body tends to thrive on. People may lose weight in the short term but they're doing so by making themselves sick.

That's just my opinion, and of course everyone has different ideas about how people should eat. But I think reliable authorities who have looked into the matter in an honest way -- and aren't just trying to profit from a weight-loss fad -- inevitably reach similar conclusions.

Examples -- Doug Graham (http://www.foodnsport.com)
John Robbins (http://www.foodrevolution.org)
John McDougall (http://www.drmcdougall.com)
Neal Barnard (of PCRM -- they provide more veg info in their health section at http://www.pcrm.org/health/index.html)
Earthsave (http://www.earthsave.org, founded by John Robbins)

I'm sure there are differences of opinion among these authors regarding other nutritional issues -- for example, whether people should consume specific plant foods such as soy and wheat, or whether food should be eaten cooked or raw. To me, Graham's arguments seem the most persuasive, although I've never been able to stick to his plan and can't offer definitive proof that his philosophy (or any particular one) is "best." But I think if you look at the studies they cite, you'll see that they're on very solid ground in their opposition to animal products.