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Kakadoodles



Joined: 01 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks sadsak!! Love to hear some helpful advice!!

Sorry for my ignorance, but what do Hyundai employ foreigners to do? Is it possible to get other jobs instead of hagwons (a little scared by the negative statements on this forum - although, the one person in Oz I know who's taught there said to ignore all this!)

Still am relying on being there v. early next year!

Hoo Roo!
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ajuma



Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!

PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check out the "human resources" section of this website. It tells the different types of jobs and other info.

http://english.hhi.co.kr/About/Social.asp
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Teufelswacht



Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right

PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The wife and I came to Korea with our then 8 years old daughter in 2000. We put her into a Korean elementary school in order to make friends and learn the language. It was never our intent to have her learn much "content," if you will, from the education system. When we put her into the school, she was welcomed by the administration and was treated very well. After about 2.5 years we took her out for reasons I won't go into here. But they had nothing to do with school administration or peer problems.

Anyway, we are doing the homeschooling thing now and supplementing it with other opportunities. I would concur with the poster who advocated the online programs. The advantage you get from accredited on-line programs is that they give you a record of your childs education and level. This may be important when you return to your home country.

The wife and I got involved in, or rather developed, a homeschooling group with a Canadian familiy that have a couple of 10 year olds. My wife teaches some subjects on some days and the other family teaches other subjects on other days. That way it gives a little free time to each parent. We have also organized activities with homeschooling/expat families from other cities so the kids could play and explore together. When you move you might want to do some searching to see if there are other expat families in the area who are homeschooling. Or you can use homeschooling to supplement your on-line program.

I would also concur with the posters who are trying to point you away from the hogwan environment. Many hogwan directors are used to younger single teachers and have no appreciation of, nor interest in, teachers with kids and their problems.

Anything else, please feel free to PM me.

Teufelswacht
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grotto wrote:
I am currently teaching at an elementary school in Gyongi-do.
Some schools do have English speaking teachers...some of the Korean teachers at my school are pretty fluent and excellent teachers. You may have to look at a few schools in the area you are in but you might be able to find a homeroom teacher whose English is pretty good.

Now this may sound a little crazy but you might be able to get a hogwan position for your 9 year old where they play with the hogwan children and get paid for it under the table. Your son is fluent and the Korean children will benefit from it and so will he. You will probably find your 9 year old will have an abundance of playmates(many Korean mothers would kill for the opportunity for their child to have an English speaking playmate)

Good luck in your search.


My wife told me this happens with preschoolers. She says that parents can be paid as much as 1.5 million won per month for their kid's attendance by an upscale kindergarden.

I met an australian who has his two kids attend korean school (I believe they are 13 and 10). They learned to speak korean very quickly and are doing fine in school.
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Kakadoodles



Joined: 01 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teufelswacht wrote:
The wife and I came to Korea with our then 8 years old daughter in 2000. We put her into a Korean elementary school in order to make friends and learn the language. It was never our intent to have her learn much "content," if you will, from the education system. When we put her into the school, she was welcomed by the administration and was treated very well.
Anything else, please feel free to PM me.

Teufelswacht


Thanks for that Teufelswacht!
I have investigated the possibility of our son doing distance education from Australia, and wonder whether he might be able to enrole at a Korean elementary school and do his Oz work there, interspersed with what he can glean from the local system??? Sounds almost perfect to me...other thoughts Confused
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chiaa



Joined: 23 Aug 2003

PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kakadoodles wrote:
Just on another topic to do with children.

I had thought I would bring three or so of the childrens favourite toys and books. Warm clothes (although finding clothes for them will probably be not as much of a problem as finding clothes for us?!), and shoes will be packed.

Is there anything else I need to consider bringing for the children?


Children's clothing is soooooooooooo expensive here. My mom is coming here next week and we loaded up with clothes for the next year Toys are also very expensive as well. If the kids are old enought for Playstation (hell I dont know what kids do at what age yet), then they will be in absolute heaven and be the envy of friends when they get back to their home country. Books are no problem (see tag line) Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

I guess the best piece of advise is the get yourself locked in the the minimum things you can before you get here (but also plan as much as you can to make yourself comfortable. Will be a real balancing act of course). Things change here 100% once you get to know how things work over.

After much though, I think it would be great for the kids to go to a Korean school (at their age never mind if they were older a whole other story). It is along the lines of a Japanese kid or Korean kid going to a school in an English speaking country knowing nothing of the language. When you are seriously considering one job or another, have the Hagwon check the "availability" of your kids going to one of the local schools and see how willing the school's administration and teachers to accomadate a couple of foreign kids. I think you might be surprised.
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sadsac



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Gwangwang

PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hyundai Marine are the big employer of engineers in Ulsan and I feel certain that if you do a search and visit their website you would gather even further info. Where my wife and I live there is an American couple who have all four of their children at public schools. The reason I would not recommend attendace for educational reasons, is that the Korean system is based on the US schooling system. We only have primary and secondary schooling in Oz, here they have elementary, middle and high school. There are some good hagwons out there and there are certainly jobs for couples with families. It is important though that when you look at prospective employers, speak to their current staff and question, question and then question some more. This place can be absolutely great or it can be hell. Coming over with a ready made support network makes so many things far more bareable than if you are here on your own. As I have previously stated, the more rural and provincial areas offer some wonderful opportunities to experience Korea at its best. If you would like to see some pics of different areas please email me at [email protected] Take your time and enjoy the experience. Smile
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Teufelswacht



Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right

PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kakadoodles:

I don't know about doing the Oz based education stuff while at the school. Never thought about it. My thoughts are that your child will be too busy with their friends and what's going on around them to concentrate on their on-line work. At their age(s) I think you will be surprised how fast they will pick up Korean. This can only benefit them in the years to come - as well as being possibly used/ translated into academic credit back home.

After classes most of their classmates would start going to their hogwans. This is when your kid(s) can do their Oz based work, as they won't have many after school friend "activities" in the traditional western sense.

Oh yes, I would recommend, however, that you investigate getting your children involved in Tae Kwon Do or other activity like that. My daughter and her foreign friends really enjoy it. It's also a way to expand their circle of friends.

A word of caution, if I may, you and your kids will be going through culture shock and other problems. It helps if your kids have a tough skin. My own daughter had some problems initially until I told her it was O.K. to kick the *&^% out of any little boys that were teasing her. After that she became very popular! I would also explore the possibility of getting a Korean friend as quickly as possible to help you communicate with the school officials. There are a number of sites on the web for Koreans looking for foreign friends to e-mail/chat. If you know the area you are going to look for Koreans in that area to begin "chatting" with on a regular basis. I would recommend you look for Koreans with kids to chat with, it helps if parents talk with parents.

I don't know about things to bring with you for the kids, but I have kept Amazon.com, YesAsia, and other places busy buying English language materials/DVDs novels etc. for my daughter. You may want to also bring a stock of childrens cold remedies they have become used to in Oz. I found such things here to be hit and miss as far as being effective for my daughter. The Korean doctors like to give kids antibiotics at the drop of a hat over here. This kind of bothered me, especially when all she had was a little sniffle.

Anyways, best of luck to you and yours. If there are any questions please don't hesitate to ask the people on the board. Many of us have been in the same boat as you, and are happy to answer any questions you may have. Sorry it took me so long to reply.

Teufelswacht
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rosewood



Joined: 15 Mar 2003
Location: Wonju

PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 5:06 am    Post subject: children's education Reply with quote

I came to Korea with my 14 year old son two and a half years ago. I have opted to home school him. This year the math went beyond me and I hired a tutor. He also has a Korean language teacher. He speaks, writes and types in Korean. (I don't.)
One of the best aspects of having your children schooled (even home schooled) here is the remarkable respect for education in this country. Kids are full time learners in this country. It rubs off; my son's point of view on learning has improved tremendously since we've moved here.

As for taking your kids to school. I don't know about that. It's hard to be a parent and a teacher at the same time.
Rosewood
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skindleshanks



Joined: 10 May 2004

PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sleep on the floor like the Koreans do (heated floors--cozy in the winter cool in the summer) and then you can sleep anywhere. And no shaking bed (!!)

Also, why not do the homescholing route--you could hire a full-time helper (Korean) for about 1 million a month, I think.

I know of a European Doctor who is homeschooling his kids here in Sokcho, but he doesn't have a job. However, he said he only teaches them in the mornings, and then sends them to Korean school (if I remember correctly) A lot of hagwon jobs run from 2pm, when the kids get home from school. You could hire a sitter for that time.

I'd recommend a small town--it's much nicer for families away from the city.

If you're open to religious-based education, there are homeschooling groups in Seoul that share the teaching duties.
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Kakadoodles



Joined: 01 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you!!!!
I know this sounds soft, but I can't believe how helpful everyone has been given we're all just strangers!!!! I feel so much more confident about the children's experience now, and just can't wait to get there!

Thanks especially to Teufelswacht, sadsac, chiaa, ersatzproffessor and peemil (to name a few)! Not only giving helpful advice once, but responding again to my dilemma!!

Hope to bump into you in country!!!
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peemil



Joined: 09 Feb 2003
Location: Koowoompa

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No worries...

We'll see you soon.
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Teufelswacht



Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good Luck! If you ever get down to Jeju maybe our families can get together. I'm sure my daughter would love to meet your children. Keep us posted on your progress!

Teufelswacht
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian

PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't if this can help you....but,

I have heard that the Seoul American School (YongSan US Army Garrison) allows some foreign nationals' children from off-post to go there, if the space is available and for a marginable fee.

Try checking it out, maybe
The number is 0505-736-5319

here is a link to give you info about the guidelines for enrollment:

http://www.korea.pac.dodea.edu/Parents/registration/EnrollmentProcedures.pdf
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logan2003



Joined: 20 May 2003

PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi i can understand it can be difficult we have a son, actually he was born here. He is only 2 and your children are older, but i believe it can be done.
They can learn Korean really fast then teach you! LOL.

Our son is doing that now. Soon i will NEED to take him around!

Anyways best wishes! I think it will be ok, Korea is very family oriented.
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