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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| I never believed in the concept of seniority back home. It's an old union idea, and when you see how unmotivated and lackluster oldtimers can be getting paid MORE to do the SAME job as you the youngster... well, it doesn't seem fair. |
It's a valid point, but by the same token, teachers who work hard year after year (saving their employers on recruitment fees, flights, hassle etc) so seldom get rewarded for it here and in most of the ESL world.
Right, but truth is, the perceived value of international English teachers falls a little every year in my view. |
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sid
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
Location: Berkshire, England
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 3:20 am Post subject: Re: Salaries Frozen for You. Why not 5-12 % increase? |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
Salaries have frozen.  |
Speak for yourself Professor Doom and Gloom. We are getting a whopping 6.7% raise next semester. Reduced hours as well! |
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Sooke
Joined: 12 Jan 2004
Location: korea
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| Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: Try the IT industry. |
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| inkorea wrote: |
Seriously folks,
there is more money in the ITI industry.
Also, you can work in and English country with a BCSc. degree or an ITI diploma. You can get a diploma within one year and get a great job, get paid two to six times more money.
Good Luck
IK
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What is an ITI and where can I get obtain one of these magical creatures? |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 2:39 am Post subject: |
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"Speak for yourself Professor Doom and Gloom."
Sid,
You speak for the few.
I am sure you have tenure and receive all the benefits of your Korean colleagues. You probably even have a permanent resident visa. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:49 am Post subject: |
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You can teach for this:
1.65 to 1.85 million won per month depending on qualifications and experience.
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/ |
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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: On your computer screen!
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:28 am Post subject: |
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It's been pointed out many times by me and others....wages will remain low anywhere in the ESL industry as long as teachers keep signing contracts offering low wages. It's that simple.
Same in korea...wonjanim KNOWS that YOU will sign a contract! Judging from the amount of teachers in korea....wonjanim is correct! So they will pay low wages!
Oh...Oh...Oh...wouldn't it be nice if teachers didn't sign contracts until the wages went up! Wonjanim thinks..."I don't want to hire you...I can get another teacher to do the samething for cheaper."
I Know a few schools where the FT's did band together and didn't resign (one school had 5 FT's another had 6) and they told all new applicants to not sign. They all did get raises and stayed on another year. But...that is the exception.
Hakwon owners and most korean businesses pay cheap...they know someone will work for them.
If koreans would only smarten up....if...a big wish...anyway...if they did...and started paying employees decent wages...productivity would CLIMB! And wonjanim and all the other business would make more money! Weed out the employees who slack off or expect others to carry their load and hire better employees. |
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shawner88
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:00 am Post subject: |
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| Well, at least with the exchange rate it's as if I got a 200,000 won raise over what it was a few years ago. 1,350 to the dollar for awhile there. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Some other universities pay
1. Annual starting salary will be 1.75 million won a month
2. Salary: 1.7 million won to 2.0 million won, depending on qualifications
3. Salary: 1.8 mil won |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 4:15 am Post subject: Wage grow 6.6 pct in 2005 |
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S. Korean workers' monthly wage grows 6.6 pct in 2005
South Korean workers' monthly wages rose nearly 7 percent in 2005 from a year earlier as the economy recovered gradually from a two-year slump, a government report said Sunday. An average South Korean worker earned 2.4 million won (US$2,482) a month last year, up 6.6 percent from the previous year, according to the Labor Ministry report.
Yonhap News (February 26, 2006)
http://english.yna.co.kr/Engnews/20060226/440100000020060226134655E7.html |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 4:31 am Post subject: |
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Frozen?
I got an 8% raise upon renewing. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| . However, that does not mean that your are the same level of ability after a year or so experience as an entry level person...why should you accept the same wage? |
Because if you don't some entry level person will swoop in and take it away from you? |
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BigBuds
Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Location: Changwon
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 6:41 am Post subject: |
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| JacktheCat wrote: |
Salaries usually go up due to increased experience.
Remember, schools are not paying for your experience and your teaching abilities, they are paying for your white face.
Your teaching may get better after a year, but your whiteness doesn't increase (well for most people it doesn't) so why should schools pay you more. |
My whiteness increased after I came to Korea. I had great sun tan before I got here and now I've never been so white in my life.
God I miss good beaches and especially, surfing everyday. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:26 am Post subject: |
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There has been no evidence posted here to show that salaries in the ESL industry are frozen, going up or going down. It seems to be based on individual perceptions.
Our recruiter tells us that salaries have gone up slightly in the last year. About 5% or 6%. Everyone at our hogwan is making more money. We plan to pay new teachers more money.
So, are all of you making the same money or less? Or is everyone just worrying about those other guys who can't make more? |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:43 am Post subject: |
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| I never believed in the concept of seniority back home. It's an old union idea, and when you see how unmotivated and lackluster oldtimers can be getting paid MORE to do the SAME job as you the youngster... well, it doesn't seem fair. |
Oldtimers often dont have to work as hard as a newb for several reasons. They know the job, they have been doing it for years and can achieve the same, if not better, results as the newb in considerably less time.
Unmotivated? Just how motivated are you supposed to be after doing the same job at the same company for unpteen years? Often a job has few if any surprises left in it. You show up, you do your work and you go home, repeat.
Often newbs come into a job full of fire and enthusiasm and ignorance. They run around like chickens with their heads cut off and everybody goes "wow is he ever motivated". Yes he is motivated...motivated to find out how to do the job properly and not get fired.
Its a perfect example of agism. Young people often complain about the older ones because the older ones pace themselves, know what they are doing and the timeframe in which it needs to be done.
Sort of a racism against the older people.
Remember with age comes wisdom...(usually ) Just because they arent running around with the same energy as the newb doesnt mean they arent working as hard....it just means they are working smarter! |
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