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Konkuk U's Big Problem... Fake Degree...
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThisCharmingMan wrote:
dzeisons wrote:
the funny thing was that they interviewed former students and they said he was a good teacher. obviously this guy was gifted unlike the chook at konkuk- i wonder what the students thought of their 'professor'.


A student of mine said in the Korean newspaper many students liked him.I was about to say that it was probably due to Korean peoples' naivety to think of westerners as godsend, but I held my tongue.


I don't know. Korean university students, after having spent way too much time in class while in highschool, would love to have a teacher who's all fun and games and who expects very little work in return from his students. It might be a let down for the serious students, but it would certainly be a sure way to be liked by the bozos who show up in class with nothing but a cell phone and a pack of smokes. An easy A is always an attention grabber.


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ThisCharmingMan



Joined: 11 Jan 2004

PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've worked with both dullards and entertainers and they ALL got compliments, "I think ______ is a good teacher!" at one point or another.
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sparkx



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: thekimchipot.com

PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jb wrote:
I wonder how many other bullcrap artists there are here?????


I met an American girl at a club one time who was quite proud of the fact that she bought a B.A in Bangkok and was making almost 3mil per month even though she hadn't even graduated from high school.

I think she was expecting me to laugh or high-five her because she was quite shocked when i flat out told her that that shit pisses me off and most of us here had to work hard for our degrees and will be paying off our student loans for years.

Dumb biotch
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Bulsajo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Catch Me If You Can...
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desultude



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf

PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of the best liked teachers in my program do not have M.A.s (and haven't faked them, either). On the other hand, we have had some teachers here with M.A.s who cannot teach at all.

In graduate school in the U.S. we are not taught to teach (unless it is specifically a teaching program, and even then I wonder sometimes Wink ).

I watch the people who are considered the best teachers, and realize how much of it is personality, not learning, that makes them so. And I don't mean being the class clown and giving them candy- I mean caring about the students, having real enthusiasm, and being responsible and prepared. These qualities are not learned in graduate school.

I have an M.A., but that doesn't mean that I think that all University instructors must have them. My M.A. in an unrelated topic has given me a credential which I have been able, so far, to parlay into a good job. The teaching part of it is up to me.

As for the fool at Konkuk, well, he had a good dance, now its time to pay the piper. And, yes, it reflects badly on all of us. One thing I sense here is that we are often judged collectively. The screw-ups of my colleagues make me look bad.
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manlyboy



Joined: 01 Aug 2004
Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia

PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

desultude wrote:
I watch the people who are considered the best teachers, and realize how much of it is personality, not learning, that makes them so. And I don't mean being the class clown and giving them candy- I mean caring about the students, having real enthusiasm, and being responsible and prepared. These qualities are not learned in graduate school.


I agree 100%. So many teachers I've known would read this and nod their heads in understanding, oblivious to the fact that this is NOT what they are doing in their own classrooms. Unlike some other professions, you can't be good at this unless you do it from the heart.
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slothrop



Joined: 03 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Cedar



Joined: 11 Mar 2003
Location: In front of my computer, again.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

slothrop wrote:
does anyone think unis will start checking out if degrees are real or not more closely now?


Yes, cause the next uni to be caught after Konkuk in this situation is going to be pulled to pieces in the media. I figure the Korean media will say "you should have all gone and checked your employees after you heard about Konkuk".

However, I'd like to say for the record, I don't think a real PhD or a fake BA make much of a difference: teaching is 40% skills (can be learned on the job) and 60% innate (personality, ability to correctly judge the students problem areas, clear communication etc.)

What I mean is, I don't care what piece of paper you have, you should get hired based on good recommendations and experience. For the first job, there are always hagwons hiring... Of course schools don't usually confirm references even in Korea, either, but what can I say about that? They should, and those references should count a heap towards your chances of getting hired.
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TJ



Joined: 10 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 4:35 pm    Post subject: Qualifications don't always mean ability Reply with quote

I knew a Korean professor who was head of the english department of his university (I won't say where). He told me he had a PhD in English literature. His english was so bad I wouldn't have given him a certificate let alone a PhD. What's more, he couldn't even set out a formal letter. He was continually asking me to 'edit' his work.

I very much doubt his qualification was real !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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lawyertood



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul, Incheon and the World--working undercover for the MOJ

PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks to this imposter my university is requiring us to submit proof of matriculation. We also are required to take a physical/blood test for drugs as one of our teachers was fired this semester for marijuana use. No worries on my part but it is an inconvenience.
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Bbang!



Joined: 31 Oct 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's see:

This dude was a bellhop at who managed to fake a PhD, land himself a teaching job at a university, haul in over 68,000,000 won in one year, and score himself some of the green stuff.

I have a real degree, have the ridiculous student loan debt to prove it, teach in a hogwan, and will pull in roughly a third of what he did. AND I haven't had a sniff of weed in a very long time.

Who's the chump? I sure feel like one.

I'll feel better when he's in jail and I'm not.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bbang! wrote:
Let's see:

This dude was a bellhop at who managed to fake a PhD, land himself a teaching job at a university, haul in over 68,000,000 won in one year, and score himself some of the green stuff.

I have a real degree, have the ridiculous student loan debt to prove it, teach in a hogwan, and will pull in roughly a third of what he did. AND I haven't had a sniff of weed in a very long time.

Who's the chump? I sure feel like one.

I'll feel better when he's in jail and I'm not.



Easy come / Easy go.
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