Korean Job Discussion Forums

[hellofaniceguy]

Strange...but true...
most of the koreans who have hit the state lottery for big money have moved to the US.
Why are the big korean companies wanting to open businesses in the US also?
Is the US the land of milk and honey?
Sure it is! So is Canada, Australia, NZ, Europe and many other countries.
What needs ot be done in korea is for koreans to open their minds and get their heads out of their rear end. Lose that tunnel vision for one thing.
Think world style...not korean style. If korean style were so great...the world would be following korea. The world does not follow korea.
I suppose many think that the greass is greener on the other side...and if one is korean...who could blame them?
Crowded cities, inept business practicies and policies.
Is Korea the desirable choice for companies? I think not. Most of the time, koreans are their own worse enemy. Many people I know make it a point never to buy any korean products on principle. Why? They do not want to support such a rabidly nationalistic, xenophobic and mercantilist economy. Koreans are so predatory and nationalistic. They have a closed economy and a zero-sum attitude to trade. Protectionism in the early stages of an economy is not unreasonable. Dealing with koreans is like dealing with bright adolescents. They're full of energy and want to do everything yesterday. But they throw tantrums and are prone to dangerous and erratic behavior if their whims are not indulged. In most countries, intellectuals become universal. You learn that great ideas and values have no national boundaries. What is profoundly disturbing is that korean intellectuals become more xenophobic and nationalistic, and perpetuate the idea that all of korea's problems are the result of willfulness by foreigners. This is the mark of a scoundrel. Korean society makes a sharp distinction between an individual's inner circle of family, friends and business colleagues, and outsiders. Members of the inner circle must always be treated with absolute respect and courtesy, while strangers are treated with indifference. Korean society is not egalitarian: a person's status is strictly defined in relation to others. How do foreigners fit into this scheme? The simple answer is they don't. Koreans however do want your money but once they get it, you are useless to them. Look at the Japanese that visit Korea. Many koreans hate the Japanese, but to their faces, they welcome them because they want their money. Behind their backs, many koreans are backstabbers.
Why are so many Embassies in korea doing a booming business? Koreans want to leave.

[The Bobster]

Yeah, I've met enough women like this, and I agree that the 75% number is too high to account for ALL Korean women, but it might come close when considering the subset of those who speak a bit of English and who make themselves sovcially available to foreigners.

Had a former adult student once offer me US$10,000 in exchange for marriage and a green card. I'd have done it for nothing if I liked (more importantly trusted) the woman and rationally felt my country would be a better place with her in it ... that not being the case, I'd need 8 or 10 times that much as inducement.

A more interesting question is how many of us have the opposite problem, i.e., are involved and in a committed relationship with a Korean who does NOT want to leave the Land of the Morning Calm ... ?

[peemil]

The nice fella at the top makes a good point.

[Pyongshin Sangja]

That's all plagiarised from Michael Breen's "The Koreans."

Pathetic.

[kiwiboy_nz_99]

[Blind Willie]

[rapier]

What gets me is the delusional, unrealistic and almost childish fantasy world some of these women live in. I mean, one year after moving to the states you're highly unlikely to be a world class fashion model, married to a millionaire, living in the white house. The very fact that a million other Korean women have an identical relentless ambition makes it statistically virtually impossible. But still, each princess believes she will be the one to make it, because she is more special than the rest. And she has a more finely honed american accent..practised from hollywood movies. She rolls her R's and drawls, wow, that immediately makes her a superior person on the fast track to superstardom. USA! USA!!.. is Number1!! Yay!! all other countries have no value whatsoever!! Americans are the most intelligent, advanced people on the planet!

Its pathetic actually that many korean women see their only way to a fuller self-realisation by moving to another country. What is needed is for them to fight to improve their own status and opportunities here in korea.
The USA really has created a monster in broadcasting the illusion of the perfect wealthy and glamorous lifestyle. In virtually every 3rd and 2nd world country I've visited, the dolls-house fantasy of making it in America beats strong within every young woman's breast..

In seoul I even encountered a gal who had formed her own club of like- minded individuals to practise their accents and groom themselves for high flying corporate jobs in The USA.. so long as they got to wear sexy uniforms and meet wealthy men, it would all be ok...probably swopped Barbie sets at each meeting they had as well..
It just seems some Korean women never really grow up this way..then they hit 32 and are no nearer having that greencard..and hurriedly marry the first dude their parents find on the street..having previously ended every good relationship because they were saving themselves for Matt Damon...

[Real Reality]

The number of South Koreans emigrating overseas fell to 9,509 last year, down 14.9 percent from a year earlier, according to the Foreign Affairs-Trade Ministry. Canada was the most popular destination for the fifth consecutive year, receiving 4,613 Korean emigrants. But even that figure represents a 22.1 percent drop from the previous year, the ministry said in a white paper. While emigrants to the United States increased by 0.7 percent to 4,200, those to New Zealand fell by 42.3 percent to 435 and those to Australia decreased by 22.4 percent to 256. "In countries like the U.S. and Canada, the screening process for immigration is getting tighter for simple laborers as loose control can lead to the problem of illegal immigrants," an official at the foreign ministry said. Although emigration for work fell by 30.9 percent to 4,391, it still accounted for the largest share of the total, while emigration by invitation reached 2,529. That for investment and marriage recorded 1,496 and 1,120 respectively.
Korea Times
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200410/kt2004100117042210230.htm

Michael Breen's book The Koreans (pages 19-20).
Michael Breen, a British journalist, quotes a foreign banker who worked closely with a chaebol as saying:
"I make a point never to buy any Korean products on principle. Why? I will not support such a rabidly nationalistic, xenophobic and mercantilist economy. Koreans are so predatory and nationalistic. They have a closed economy and a zero-sum attitude to trade. Protectionism in the early stages of an economy is not unreasonable. But in the case of Korea it is almost a religious doctrine to keep foreign things out. If you buy a foreign car, you're seen as a traitor. They pick narrow industrial sectors and all jump in like copycats. If I see a Korean sports team, I root for the other side. Why? Because they're so full of themselves that they leave no room for other parties to participate and enjoy themselves. The 1988 Olympics was worse than the Hitler Games of 1936. Dealing with Koreans is like dealing with bright adolescents. They're full of energy and want to do everything yesterday. But they throw tantrums and are prone to dangerous and erratic behaviour if their whims are not indulged. In most countries, intellectuals become universal. You learn that great ideas and values have no national boundaries. What is profoundly disturbing is that Korean intellectuals become more xenophobic and nationalistic, and perpetuate the idea that all of Korea's problems are the result of wilfulness by foreigners. This is the mark of a scoundrel."
"But," he said after a pause, "I love many aspects of Korea."
Amazon.com: Editorial Reviews:
The Koreans: Who They Are, What They Want, Where Their Future Lies
by Michael Breen
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0312326092/103-3546866-6500649?vi=reviews

According to a Canadian embassy official who attended a two-day immigration fair in Seoul in October, ... This year, almost 70% of the 19,000 Koreans who visited the fair were in their 20s or 30s. No longer citing education as the primary motivator for moving, many said they wanted to go to Canada for a more comfortable lifestyle: well-being, at least for many of Korea's young and well-educated, is best found outside Korea.

The system prompts fearful middle-managers to push the young talent beneath to perform superhuman feats, all in the hope of impressing those above them and keeping their jobs for another year.

Korean 'well-being' slogan for some, not others
By David Scofield
Asia Times (October 20, 2004)
http://atimes.com/atimes/Korea/FJ20Dg01.html

[kiwiboy_nz_99]

[Tiger Beer]

[TECO]

All high rollers here in Taiwan have a U.S. or Canadian passport. Some have an Australian passport.

All big wig politicians and eminent academics have a house and often even their entire family living overseas.

I was living in Australia this year and met Korean and Japanese girls at school who were planning on getting perminent residence and then going back to their countries.

They wanted to take full advantage of health care benefits and retire in Australia - maybe.

I think Tiger is right, a lot also end up going back home too when they realize that the streets aren't exactly 'paved with gold.'

[rapier]

[Neil]

To be fair rapier you have mentioned before that you have a UK passport and even though you dislike the UK your passport allows you to work and live in France, Spain, Germany ect.

You are also a native English speaker so finding a job in the US, Oz, NZ and the like is far easier for you. Accident of birth isn't it?

If these girls are fed up with Korea then they have far, far less options than you. Even though you like like to paint yourself as a victim you have far more choices than these girls so try putting yourself in their shoes for a second.

Personally this trend doesn't bother me. I can spot a gold digger from a mile away and therefore I'm only interested in the genuine girls.

It really isn't that hard to spot the difference between the two groups.

[jg]

Kiwiboy wrote:

[Real Reality]

Forger created fake wives to obtain visas to the U.S.
Police said yesterday they have seized evidence indicating that as many as 250 single Korean women have illegally entered the United States by representing themselves as the wives of well-to-do employees at some of Korea's major corporations. The brokers charged the women up to 8 million won ($7,500). Police estimated their total earnings at about 2 billion won. The seized records showed that 320 customers had sought the brokers' help, with 250 having already left the country. An officer working on the case said, "For those applicants rejected by the United States, the brokers arranged trips to Canada and then smuggled them into the United States."
by Ser Myo-ja
JoongAng Ilbo (November 23, 2004)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200411/22/200411222207040909900090409041.html