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Wisco Kid

Joined: 07 Sep 2004 Location: Changwon
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 7:44 am Post subject: Kiss my hip ? |
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Has anyone else noticed this interesting item of Konglish? I've heard several Koreans use the word "hip" when they are definitely referring to a "butt".
Ex. #1: One student said they would kick their friend "in the hip" if they were angry with them.
Ex. #2: At the hospital, the nurse told me to pull my pants down so she could give me a shot "in the hip".
Ex. #3: I came across a set of illustrated flashcards. One card had a picture of a boy with his pants around his ankles, sticking his butt out. The card was labelled "hip", and it included an example sentence: "Shake your hips".
Did Koreans screw this one up themselves or was it the workof Christian missionaries?  |
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skinhead

Joined: 11 Jun 2004
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 7:53 am Post subject: |
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Very good question. It's obviously offensive to their sensibilities to use the a-word, "arse". Kind of like the b-word, "breasts" is on here. |
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ajuma

Joined: 18 Feb 2003 Location: Anywere but Seoul!!
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 8:22 am Post subject: |
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Somewhere, in some book that Korean students use, they've made a HUGE mistake about hips! I've been fighting the "hip" battle for a LONG time now!
There are SO may words to use for ... um... NOT hips!
Rear, butt, bottom, heiney...to name a few! But my HIPS are the place where I place my hands when I'm angry! |
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skinhead

Joined: 11 Jun 2004
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 8:40 am Post subject: |
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heiney?
Would you use that word for your bum? Reeeeeeeeally? Like in a non-joking way? Curious. |
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Wisco Kid

Joined: 07 Sep 2004 Location: Changwon
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 8:46 am Post subject: |
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I can imagine there'd be some confusion if you told a Korean friend that your Grandma was in the hospital for hip-replacement surgery. |
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skinhead

Joined: 11 Jun 2004
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 8:50 am Post subject: |
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That is saintly. Thanks Wisco.
Try explaining to your students that yer Ma & Da were hippies when they got married, and that you're pretty 'hip' as a result. |
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J.B. Clamence

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 9:33 am Post subject: |
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I've noticed that some body parts in Korean aren't defined with the same boundaries as body parts in English.
For example, in Kumdo, one of the target areas that you aim to strike with your sword is the "heori", which means waist, as in the ticklish parts on the sides of the abdomen just below the rib cage. However, I've also heard the same word used to refer to the lower back, at the bottom of your spinal column. In fact, when Koreans use the expression referring to someone who "broke their back" (working really hard) trying to do something, they use the word "heori". So it would seem that the Korean concept of the "waist" includes the lower back as well. Thus it's very likeley that the hips are considered to be part of the butt in the way Koreans think of the body. |
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thorin

Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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ajuma wrote: |
Somewhere, in some book that Korean students use, they've made a HUGE mistake about hips!
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That's how it's translated in their dictionaries for some reason. |
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justagirl

Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Location: Cheonan/Portland
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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yep. as far as I know they don't have two words to differentiate between hip and butt.
but then...in spanish they don't have two words to differentiate between fingers and toes...
strange. |
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Khunopie

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: Fucking, Austria (pronounced "Fooking")
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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justagirl wrote: |
yep. as far as I know they don't have two words to differentiate between hip and butt.
but then...in spanish they don't have two words to differentiate between fingers and toes...
strange. |
Jose: Manuel, I cut my finger!
Manuel: On your foot?
Jose: No, my hand you imbicile! |
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Hyalucent

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: British North America
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 8:58 am Post subject: |
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Next time the Korean Rocky Horror is playing, go check it out to see them dance the Timewarp.
"... step to the right. Put your hands on your hips..." |
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chi-chi
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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Doesn't anyone remember that 70's show about the waitress called Vera? (I wasn't alive back then, but I digress.)
"Kiss my grits"
Someone teach it to them, please....*lol*
But kiss my hip is cute I think. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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Doesn't anyone remember that 70's show about the waitress called Vera? (I wasn't alive back then, but I digress.)
"Kiss my grits"
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The show was called ALICE, and was mostly about a single-mother waitress with that name. The waitress who said that famous line was named Flo, sort of a gracefully aging sex kitten type. Vera was the third waitress, kind of a naive, child-like woman. Mel was their boss, a grump-with-a-heart-of-gold type guy.
Incidentally, the show was based on a Martin Scorsese film. |
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tommynomad

Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Location: on the move
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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Incidentally, Flo has since been immortalised in the game "Killer Bunnies and the Quest for the Magic Carrot" as carrot #4.
Go with the Flo. |
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