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Health Care: Canada vs. Korea

 
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Koreabound2004



Joined: 19 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 8:05 pm    Post subject: Health Care: Canada vs. Korea Reply with quote

Well I have just returned to work after being off sick for two days with a cold...

The second day off, my coteacher told my bf I should go to the hospital. Being from Canada, we laughed, and said we would take some NyQuil and make some chicken soup. We explained that if we were to go to the hospital in Canada for something as silly as a common cold, we would be told to go home, and come back with a "real" medical issue.

So I am back at work today. They tell me I should "keep healthy" and whatever, bla bla bla. My coteacher tells my prinicpal about me not going to the hospital and my reasoning behind it. The principal then tells him that he thinks the Korean health care system is better than Canada's.

I am still sick, and this made me even more annoyed to be back today.

Well, which system is better??? Rolling Eyes
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Swiss James



Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*sigh* let's just cut to the chase, the Canadian system is much better, Korea sucks etc.
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I_Am_Wrong



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: whatever

PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well...it sorta like apples and oranges to be honest.

In Canada we have socialized health care so most people don't go to the doctor is it's not a big issue because it's a drain on the system's resources. However, there are lots of people in Canada who think that because it's "free" they should go to the doctor for something as simple as a common cold.

In Canada there is also this thing called TRUST whereby, your employer usually trusts your judgement...here they don't trust your judgement thus, you need a doctor's note.

In the United States, most people don't go to the doctor because it'll cost them an arm and a leg and lots of people will put it off for even very serious matters.

In Korea they don't trust your judgement they trust the doctor's. Also, going to the doctor is relatively inexpensive. Finally, like in all countries...some people are just stupid.
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thorin



Joined: 14 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Health Care: Canada vs. Korea Reply with quote

You stayed home for two days with a cold? I didn't know sick days existed here. My coworkers would come to work with the bubonic plague.
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peemil



Joined: 09 Feb 2003
Location: Koowoompa

PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jesus... I hate getting sick. I just can't be bothered putting up with the stares and the hate in the place when I return the next day.

Did it once. Won't ever do it again. Even though I've had times when if I was in the West I would call the boss and say...

"Sorry Boss. Too sick to come in today... I'll be in tomorrow."
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hellofaniceguy



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: On your computer screen!

PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come on OP....don't let what koreans say ruffel your feathers!
Health care in korea is maybe better than Laos, Vietnam, and other not so well off nations. But koreans...don't take it personal......you're not even in the same boat as Canada or the US! Or Europe or Australia! Your boat is taking on water!
Let��s take a simple issue such as cleanliness and being sanitary. Rubber gloves for one.
I have gotten up out of two dental chairs in two different dentist offices when they, the dentist, started to put his fingers in my mouth without wearing rubber gloves. I don��t know where his fingers were 10 minutes ago! Am I being a jerk about it? I don��t care....it��s my mouth.
Same with a visit to the medical doctor��s office...he started to perform a procedure that in the US....doctors wears gloves.
I have been to a few hospitals in korea to see friends who were patients and the rooms were dirty and overall...the hospitals were filthy. Nurses are lazy, incompetent and worthless.
Doctors think they are God��s in korea! Rude, no bedside manners...just plain jerks.
And for what it��s worth....I taught for two years at a korean medical college and a nurses college!
Hospitals are full of people who would not be in the hospital in Canada or the US over some minor BS! A bunch of cry babies Koreas are. And what��s with the patients walking around outside hooked to an IV wearing PJ��s...smoking a cigarette and then going back into the room with other patients?! Where are koreans' brain housing groups? Walking on them?
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Koreabound2004



Joined: 19 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am entitled to 15 paid sick days, according to my contract, and I am gonna use em.
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Pyongshin Sangja



Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!

PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I have been to a few hospitals in korea to see friends who were patients and the rooms were dirty and overall...the hospitals were filthy. Nurses are lazy, incompetent and worthless.
Doctors think they are God��s in korea! Rude, no bedside manners...just plain jerks.


Well, Koreans saved my life when I had a fever that almost killed me.

The nurses were sweet and the doctors were hard-working and kind.

I've probably been to hospitals here 7 or eight times and doctors' offices the same amount of times. (16 times in 4 years? Is that high?)The treatment is different, but I'm still standing.

The user fees are a pain, why don't we have a more serious discussion of this issue? A bunch of muck-rakers saying that Korean hospitals are garbage and that Koreans are stupid for going to hospital are obviously wrong. Koreans seem to be getting pretty good medical care.

By the way, I haven't had a sick day since I got here 4 years ago. A few times I was able to cancel an hour or two and come in to work late. Those 15 sick days? I guess if you work in a h'gw'n you may as well use your perks, but don't count on impressing any Koreans that way.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pyongshin Sangja wrote:
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I have been to a few hospitals in korea to see friends who were patients and the rooms were dirty and overall...the hospitals were filthy. Nurses are lazy, incompetent and worthless.
Doctors think they are God��s in korea! Rude, no bedside manners...just plain jerks.


Well, Koreans saved my life when I had a fever that almost killed me.

The nurses were sweet and the doctors were hard-working and kind.

I've probably been to hospitals here 7 or eight times and doctors' offices the same amount of times. (16 times in 4 years? Is that high?)The treatment is different, but I'm still standing.

The user fees are a pain, why don't we have a more serious discussion of this issue? A bunch of muck-rakers saying that Korean hospitals are garbage and that Koreans are stupid for going to hospital are obviously wrong. Koreans seem to be getting pretty good medical care.

By the way, I haven't had a sick day since I got here 4 years ago. A few times I was able to cancel an hour or two and come in to work late. Those 15 sick days? I guess if you work in a h'gw'n you may as well use your perks, but don't count on impressing any Koreans that way.


It's a good point. Having lived in Canada and America and having experience both health care systems, I've concluded arguing health care is like blind men feeling an elephant and trying to describe it. Depending on what part you feel, you get a different answer.

Your 4th floor clinic I wouldn't trust the doc to be up on the latest medical literature and I wouldn't trust him to prescribe meds that safe or appropriate. A friend went to the doctor for a cold and got some pain killer for people with arthritis. It seemed over kills. I've read other horror stories too. Doctors suggesting you move your bed into a more correct alignment with the earth spirits or whatever.

On the flip side, I can sure imagine a stay in a Korean hospital might come with a level of personal care you might not get in Canada. I'm not sure I'd want to spend any time in a 8 patient ward, however...
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thorin



Joined: 14 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pyongshin Sangja wrote:

By the way, I haven't had a sick day since I got here 4 years ago. A few times I was able to cancel an hour or two and come in to work late. Those 15 sick days? I guess if you work in a h'gw'n you may as well use your perks, but don't count on impressing any Koreans that way.


For once we can agree. That attitude isn't going to win the OP any favors in any country.
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qwunk89



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, i must say that while health care in both Canada and the US may be superior in some ways, korean health care is much more thorough and a heck of a lot CHEAPER. Did you ever try to go to a hospital in Canada or the US without health insurance, or even to the emergency room with insurance? Well, let me tell you it ain't cheap. I was recently traveling in Canada with my girlfriend who paid $457.00 for a 15 min emergency room visit, during which the overworked physician gave her the once over told her she seemed fine at the time and to get a family doctor to investigate further. The next day she went to a clinic and they didn't have time to figure out anything either. Another $70.00 for basically nothing. Same thing happened in the US. When she got back to Korea she went to the hospital and they examined her thoroughly for 2 hours and found the problem. Granted it was an insurance issue as well. But I still think the system here is a lot more economical and efficient. Now cleanliness, sterilization, and old vodoo methods may be another issue.
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 7:38 am    Post subject: yes Reply with quote

It's not just a money issue here. It's a time issue. In Canada, I broke out in red spots one day, and had to leave, not knowing what it was. I was hoping that if it were not serious, just go back to work and not lose some of my wage.

Well, the 20 people in fromt of me in line put a damper on that plan. I bet at least 50% didn't need to be there. Anyways, I found out 2 hours and a bit later that it was because of some muscle relaxant medication I was on, due to the car accident I was in a few weeks before, where I also had a long wait at the hospital to get looked at.

I love wasting my time like that.

Since I am relatively healthy and rarely see the doctor, I would take Korea's system. In the future, (if it's still the same) Canada's system for actual competence.
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Blind Willie



Joined: 05 May 2004

PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swiss James wrote:
*sigh* let's just cut to the chase, the Canadian system is much better, Korea sucks etc.

It IS much better, James!

At least, it better goddamned be better considering the taxes we pay for it.
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