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inkoreaforgood
Joined: 15 Dec 2003
Location: Inchon
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| Can anyone shut him/her up???? PLEASE!!!!!!!!! |
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Ryst Helmut
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
Location: In search of the elusive signature...
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| Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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| tommynomad wrote: |
| I speak 5-and-a-half languages... |
Just curious, for the 1/2...do you use only consonants or only vowels?
!Shoosh
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Intrepid
Joined: 13 May 2004
Location: Yongin
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| Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 3:44 pm Post subject: 5.2 million, etc. |
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I work at the uni that advertised that 5.2. They do expect the candidate to publish, and hang around during the vacations. I was happy enough with my 2.6 twelve months a year for 7.5 months of 12/wk, but the three-year rule, mentioned in the same ad, really got to me.
Also the student evaluations: these things are totaled at the very end of vacation, after you've signed a contract and thought you had a job for March (or September); get under a 70% positive from students (and if you hint that you're giving out anything but A+s, expect that) and you're out, fired.
I'd love to keep teaching but I've been forced, my god, to take a desk job.
Anyone else want to comment on the crap that the unis have out there as 'job offers' this season? |
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adventureman
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| tommynomad wrote: |
I have an M.A. I have 20 years teaching experience, at every level from nursery school to university. I have taught 10 subjects. I have 1500 hours of experience with people with special needs. I speak 5-and-a-half languages, 3 so fluently I'm consistently mistaken for a native speaker. I have (locally) published several narrative poems/short works of fiction, been editor-in-chief at a commercial magazine, and text-edited a scholarly journal's annual--twice. I've chaired 2 sessions at national academic conferences. I sell myself well: I've never had an interview (for a teaching post) that didn't result in a job offer.
(p.s.: lest this sound personal & embittered: I'm not. I love living and teaching here--great hours, lots of beautiful women, nil cost of living, stimulating environment--sweet.) |
Thats a pretty amazing list of qualifications. Just curious, in what kind of environment in Korea do you work? hagwon? public school? uni? Also how is it really "stimulating" for you? What are you hours like? Are the other people you work with as qualified as you?
Sorry if I sound intrusive, I'm just trying to suss what the job situation is like in Korea for people who are that highly qualified and how different it is from us "green newbies". |
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tommynomad
Joined: 24 Jul 2004
Location: on the move
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| Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| adventureman wrote: |
| tommynomad wrote: |
I have an M.A. I have 20 years teaching experience, at every level from nursery school to university. I have taught 10 subjects. I have 1500 hours of experience with people with special needs. I speak 5-and-a-half languages, 3 so fluently I'm consistently mistaken for a native speaker. I have (locally) published several narrative poems/short works of fiction, been editor-in-chief at a commercial magazine, and text-edited a scholarly journal's annual--twice. I've chaired 2 sessions at national academic conferences. I sell myself well: I've never had an interview (for a teaching post) that didn't result in a job offer.
(p.s.: lest this sound personal & embittered: I'm not. I love living and teaching here--great hours, lots of beautiful women, nil cost of living, stimulating environment--sweet.) |
Thats a pretty amazing list of qualifications. |
Nah, I'm just old, and started young.
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| Just curious, in what kind of environment in Korea do you work? |
Small, rural, christian university.
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| Also how is it really "stimulating" for you? |
I am never so alive as when surrounded by a language I do not speak.
Tailoring lesson plans (written for 12 students) for 50-60 students.
Teaching people who aren't motivated.
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| What are you hours like? |
8x90mins/week, three day weekends, four months on; two months off.
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Are the other people you work with as qualified as you?
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Some are, some aren't. On paper, there are other M.A.s here. I think I'm one of only a few "career teachers," though. It's a guy who admittedly isn't one himself who has most impressed me: he really works at improving his work for his students. So qualifications may count for something, but it's the teacher inside--the 'calling' if you will--that makes someone good in the classroom, IMPNSHO.
Aside: I find it very interesting that while the M.A. students at the two Korean unis I'm familiar with do about the same amount of research and coursework as their N. American counterparts, getting a Ph.D. here--based on what I've seen--is a relative cakewalk. Which might suggest to some that the native Ph.D. holders around us aren't exactly super-qualified themselves, despite the letters after their names.
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| Sorry if I sound intrusive, |
We're all just sharing thoughts and ideas, adventureman. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 8:19 am Post subject: |
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Here is a dream university job for a foreigner, right?
Teaching hours: 25 per week (Monday to Friday)
Salary: 1.8 - 2.0 million Won (subject to experience)
Korean instructors frequently teach 25 hours per week for 1.8 to 2.0 million per month, right? |
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jaykimf
Joined: 24 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
Here is a dream university job for a foreigner, right?
Teaching hours: 25 per week (Monday to Friday)
Salary: 1.8 - 2.0 million Won (subject to experience)
Korean instructors frequently teach 25 hours per week for 1.8 to 2.0 million per month, right? |
Different people have different dreams. Someone who couldn't qualify for any kind of university job at home (or almost anywhere else in the world) might find that to be a dream job. Others might dream about the $47,000 job mentioned at the start of this thread. New MIT PHDs in Economics start at about $100,000 . What qualifications do you have? My guess is that 30 or 40 years from now, you'll be able to look back to your time in Korea as the highpoint of your career. Admit it, You've never had a better job. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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jaykimf wrote,
"Admit it, You've never had a better job."
Wrong.
Sometimes in life you take a chance and lose. I took a chance to come to Korea and lost.
I have had better jobs. I had a better job in my home country. I have even had a better job in Korea than I have right now. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
jaykimf wrote,
"Admit it, You've never had a better job."
Wrong.
Sometimes in life you take a chance and lose. I took a chance to come to Korea and lost.
I have had better jobs. I had a better job in my home country. I have even had a better job in Korea than I have right now. |
Then why are you here? Go back and get a better job. Or at least get a better job than you have now. Don't complain. That does nothing to better yourself or others. You don't like the job you have, then quit. Simple enough no? If you don't then you have no right to complain. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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"Go back and get a better job. Or at least get a better job than you have now."
Easy to say (or write on a message board).
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| In defence of RR, there is a place for complaining. I think, however, the in this case he's comparing apples and oranges. |
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Hagwon Muppet
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: Your Uni Job Is similar, right? |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
While you may not have a Ph.D. degree, does your university job in the first year even come close to this recently posted job?
Requirement:
Ph.D. in Business administartion or Economics,
6 hrs class teaching/week (business English or related subject)
Payment:
won 5.2 million( approximate $47,000/year $1 =1100 won)
Housing / assitant provided.
Health insurance will be provided.
In your first year, do (or did) you teach at least twice as much for almost half the salary? (or at least 12 hours for 2.6 million won/month) |
Someone with a PhD in Business Administration teaching for less than 50,000 USD a year?? They'd be mad to take that job.
Could make 3 times that working for Hyundai/Samsung and probably 10 times that with McKinsey etc etc etc. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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Man I haven't posted on this board for awhile...but one thing I can't believe hasn't changed:
Real Reality WHY are you STILL whining about pay??? If you don't like it LEAVE KOREA. If you think your whining can actually change something, hire a lawyer and take the problem to the top courts of Korea.
Seriously, I bet 99% of the people on this forum wish you would just shut up and leave Korea. It has been over a year of you complaining on these boards...that is enough time for you to have finished a contract...why are YOU still here?
I get the impression that you just wouldn't cut it back "home" where ever that is. Your whining attitude just isn't what prospective employers are looking for.
I think in all the time you have been in Korea you have totally missed out on THIS IS KOREA. They do things THE KOREAN WAY. Equal pay for equal work doesn't exist in this country: case in point is male vs female salaries.
So STOP WHINING about it. I know the cold hard truth is hard to accept, but accept it. I seriously think you need to buy yourself a clue. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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Cthulhu
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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Real Reality wrote:
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Sometimes in life you take a chance and lose. I took a chance to come to Korea and lost.
I have had better jobs. I had a better job in my home country. I have even had a better job in Korea than I have right now. |
Just curious, but you mention that you "took a chance to come to Korea and lost." Is it an age issue that is preventing you from correcting that mistake? I would think a second go around back home wouldn't be a problem otherwise. |
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