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Grammar folks: take vs bring

 
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ajuma



Joined: 18 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 1:37 am    Post subject: Grammar folks: take vs bring Reply with quote

Is there any rule for using "take" vs using "bring" in the following examples?

I'm going to take my lunch.
I'm going to bring my lunch.

I'm going to take my shirt to the drycleaner.
I'm going to bring my shirt to the drycleaner.

If you think past tense, there is a difference in the first set:

I took my lunch.
I brought my lunch.

But in the second:

I took my shirt....
I brought my shirt....

they mean the same thing...don't they?

Hmmmmm....
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J.B. Clamence



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The focus of the place of perspective changes.

For example, when you say "I'm going to take my lunch," you are focusing on the place where you are taking it from. Maybe you are at that place now when the conversation takes place, or maybe you simply are talking about that place. However, if you are focusing on the place you are taking your lunch to, then you would be more likely to say "I'm going to bring my lunch." Again, you may be at that place now, or you may be just talking about it, but somehow you are focusing on that place, and channeling your perspective through that place.
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Wangja



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Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nah, take to, bring from .....
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J.B. Clamence



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps I wasn't being clear. If you are at home, and you are speaking from the perspective of being at home, if you want to take your lunch to work, would you be more likely to say "take my lunch" or "bring my lunch"? I think one would be more likely to say "take." Similarly, after arriving at work, speaking from the perspective of being at work, you would say "I brought my lunch," not "I took my lunch." Thus when using "take", the perspective is from the place where it's from, and when one uses "bring", the perspective is from the place where it is going to.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the distinction is clear in this situation:

I'm at home with my wife. She says, "Take this money (and go) to the store. Buy some milk and bring it back."

For me, the problem arises when we are talking in a third place. For example, we are sitting in a coffee shop. I think my friend should ask, "Did you take your lunch to work today?" In my opinion, it is wrong to say "Did you bring your lunch..." because we are not at work at the moment of speaking.

Another example that seems right to me: "Take my car and drive to my house. Pick up the package on the table and take it to the post office. Mail it and bring the receipt to me wherever I am."

As far as I can tell, take/bring follows the same pattern as go/come. It depends on your location when speaking.
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Sage Monkey



Joined: 01 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.B. Clamence wrote:
Perhaps I wasn't being clear. If you are at home, and you are speaking from the perspective of being at home, if you want to take your lunch to work, would you be more likely to say "take my lunch" or "bring my lunch"? I think one would be more likely to say "take." Similarly, after arriving at work, speaking from the perspective of being at work, you would say "I brought my lunch," not "I took my lunch." Thus when using "take", the perspective is from the place where it's from, and when one uses "bring", the perspective is from the place where it is going to.


JBC stole the words from my mouth, kinda... I was gong to give the simple rule that you always "take away" and "bring to". The usage, like JBC stated in his example of bringing or taking a lunch to work is dependent upon the actual location of the speaker at that time.
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whatthefunk



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell your students that theyre being nitpicky shitheads. In some cases, bring is correct. In some cases take is correct. In some cases either is okay.

"Bring some pencils home from work." Cant use take here.

"Dont *beep* with me kid, or Ill take your pencil case from you and wack you over the head with it." Cant use bring here.

"Take this bottle of soju to Whatthefunks house." "Bring this bottle of soju to Whatthefunks house." Either is okay.
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J.B. Clamence



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
For me, the problem arises when we are talking in a third place. For example, we are sitting in a coffee shop. I think my friend should ask, "Did you take your lunch to work today?" In my opinion, it is wrong to say "Did you bring your lunch..." because we are not at work at the moment of speaking.


That is why I specified "speaking from the perspective of being" somewhere rather than simply stating "being" somewhere, because in a situation when the conversation takes place in a third place, it is important to look at what perspective in terms of place the speakers are speaking from. In this example, if they are talking about or focusing on home and being at home, then it would be more common to say "take your lunch to work." However, if the the people are talking about work, or at least speaking from the context of being at work, it would be more common to say "bring your lunch to work."
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J.B. Clamence



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

whatthefunk wrote:
"Bring some pencils home from work." Cant use take here.


Actually, if this conversation takes place at work, I would argue that not only can you use "take" here, but also it would be more common and make more sense to do so.
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Drakoi



Joined: 26 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JBC has it right.

take goes with go, as in

"GO! and take this with you."

bring goes with come, as in

"When you come, bring some food" (beer, etc.)
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whatthefunk



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.B. Clamence wrote:
whatthefunk wrote:
"Bring some pencils home from work." Cant use take here.


Actually, if this conversation takes place at work, I would argue that not only can you use "take" here, but also it would be more common and make more sense to do so.


Yeah, but I was thinking more of the wife telling you at home to please bring some pencils home from work with you.
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jajdude



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a good question and it would be good to know the difference, not just intuitively. But since most native speakers seem to use the two words almost interchangeably (I guess?), it doesn't matter much. OK it does matter if on a test! In that case it matters to Koreans! So they will have this wonderfully useful knowledge to pass that test, and stumble when asked, "When is your birthday?"
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's how you can do it the quick and dirty way:
"take" means ��������, "bring" means ��������.
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Cymro



Joined: 11 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

whatthefunk wrote:
"Bring this bottle of soju to Whatthefunks house."


...is not necessarily OK! I never heard this use of the word "bring" before my time in Canada. Here's what I believe is right.

Take from here to there.
Bring from there to here.
Take from there to there. (Where both places are distant.)
Bring from there to there. (Where the destination is closer than the origin or you're going to meet the carrier there.)
Bring to me.
Take to him/her/it....
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