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casey's moon
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| Like I hinted at, I could go either way. I just think a nice boss would do what s/he could. Christmas is important to a lot of westerners, even non-Christians like myself. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| casey's moon wrote: |
| Like I hinted at, I could go either way. I just think a nice boss would do what s/he could. Christmas is important to a lot of westerners, even non-Christians like myself. |
It's a point but I think your average foreign ESL teacher already gets a lot of privileges and breaks, at least in the eyes of the comparable and sometimes more competent Korean coworkers.
Letting the whitey book off early Christmas and New Years eve would not play well at all. |
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Sage Monkey
Joined: 01 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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Newbies pull this one every year with no fail!  |
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phaedrus
Joined: 13 Nov 2003
Location: I'm comin' to get ya.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
It's a point but I think your average foreign ESL teacher already gets a lot of privileges and breaks, at least in the eyes of the comparable and sometimes more competent Korean coworkers.
Letting the whitey book off early Christmas and New Years eve would not play well at all. |
Well, they certainly aren't as competent in the area that matters the most, which is speaking English. |
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Sage Monkey
Joined: 01 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 12:31 am Post subject: |
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It doesn't even seem like Christmas around here. No surprise since two-thirds of Koreans aren't Christians of any kind, and of those who are, many don't celebrate the eve at all. There was no evidence of it here where I've lived the last two Decembers.
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| Youre not in Canada. |
Exactly. Celebrate on Canadian time, 14 hours behind, if you want to experience Christmas. Phone home on December 25th and wish everyone on Christmas Eve back home a merry holiday.
I don't know about ewah but, You don't work on the 25th, do you?
Remember: Back home there's no accommodating for Buddha's Birthday in May. |
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crazykiwi
Joined: 07 Jun 2003
Location: new zealand via daejeon
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| Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 1:31 am Post subject: |
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| I am not worried, i finish at 6pm on that friday, as per normal, and my hagwon closes down on the 31st so dont think ill be workin much on that day. Just enjoy the season guys. what are you really going to do on the 24th if you get the day off anyway? drink? be merry? reflect on the year that has passed? we get the 26th off too, as its a sunday, so whats the deal? At home nothing was celebrated on the 24th, heck most were working anyyway. well, my girl and i totally decked out our apartment with a new tree, lights evrywhere, decorations coming out our bums and we never went this hard when at home. its just a great feeling to see the smile on her face, as christmas is such a big deal to her, makes my damn happy. so suck it up i say, try and put a little xmas cheer into the atmosphere and enjoy YOUR season, cause if you dont, no one else is going to compensate you! |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 2:01 am Post subject: |
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well the 25th is saturday so I doubt you are working..
I worked for ewha and I didnt have this finish at 10 deal..
in the holidays you have intensive 9 -1 then 2 - 6 if you wish to work
7-9 class that was over time..
you were not forced to..
tell your boss to shove it! do what you want..
you are not their slave.. work fair and dont do anymore than you have to. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 3:26 am Post subject: |
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(1) Exactly how far should the "when in Rome, do as the Romans" idea extend?
(2) Should we all start sucking our teeth and hacking phlegm onto the ground, or checking our make-up and handphone messages every five minutes?
(3) In Canada even my father, who works as a unionized laborer, gets the afternoon off on Christmas Eve.
(4) If it is important to you, talk to your boss and work something out. |
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1. It should extend to our work lives, not to our personal lives which is what your examples were about.
2. All Koreans do not do this, why should you assume that all Westerners should do this?
3. This is not Canada (as has been posted already)
4. Exactly. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| you are not their slave.. work fair and dont do anymore than you have to. |
A brilliant philosophy I-guy.... 
However, if it is a work day for the school then it is something the teacher "has to do".
Nothing to do with slavery here.
About doing whatever you want, well if the OP so desperatly wants to finish early or be off on x-mas eve then let him take a day off or call in sick and then assume the consequences of this if any.
Back the the core of this silly argument however: this is Korea, not Canada (or the UK, USA, NZ or OZ...), hence we get Korean holidays much like we would get Canadian holidays when working in Canada. It has nothing to do with being a foreigner, it has to do with being an employee working in Korea. Big difference here. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 5:32 am Post subject: |
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| phaedrus wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
It's a point but I think your average foreign ESL teacher already gets a lot of privileges and breaks, at least in the eyes of the comparable and sometimes more competent Korean coworkers.
Letting the whitey book off early Christmas and New Years eve would not play well at all. |
Well, they certainly aren't as competent in the area that matters the most, which is speaking English. |
Well, maybe where you teach. But my Korean english co-teachers (grammar and listening) are quite good at speaking. |
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stephenl
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 4:15 pm Post subject: Christmas/NewYears work |
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 BOO HOO!!!! Working for any EWHA, you deserve what you get!!! |
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adventureman
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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But on the inverse, most foreigners here are qualified and competent in teaching and speaking English?  That's, really, the funniest and most ironic thing I have read here in a while. |
While I tend to agree that there are probably many native speakers in Korea (including those at the university level) who could not teach their way out of a paper bag, at least one major quality they have going for them is that they actually speak (and "teach") TRUE ENGLISH and not the annoyingly KOREANIZED ("Kongolish" "Hanguelish" or whatever the hell you want to call it) misprounounced and often inacurate version of the language that many Koreans mistake for real "Inglishi" |
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phaedrus
Joined: 13 Nov 2003
Location: I'm comin' to get ya.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 2:41 am Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| phaedrus wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
It's a point but I think your average foreign ESL teacher already gets a lot of privileges and breaks, at least in the eyes of the comparable and sometimes more competent Korean coworkers.
Letting the whitey book off early Christmas and New Years eve would not play well at all. |
Well, they certainly aren't as competent in the area that matters the most, which is speaking English. |
Well, maybe where you teach. But my Korean english co-teachers (grammar and listening) are quite good at speaking. |
Yet, despite their excellent abilities, you have a job. |
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phaedrus
Joined: 13 Nov 2003
Location: I'm comin' to get ya.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| phaedrus wrote: |
(4) If it is important to you, talk to your boss and work something out. |
(Numbers are mine)
4. Exactly. |
Yes, it is quite simple in my mind. I don't give a rat's ass whether I get the evening off, but some do.
I expect there is a lot of beyond the contract work that many teachers do. If a person really wants that evening off, just play a card. They just have to remind the boss of all the things they may not agree to do in the future. Korean bosses always want special favors such as work a surprise Saturday, or stay a little later one day with no notice. Make a special favor of your own, and if it is not granted, stop doing favors for the boss. |
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