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flutieflakes



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:04 am    Post subject: thank you for saying this............ Reply with quote

[CULTURAL KALEIDOSCOPE]A Korean in Beijing

Last week I was in Beijing with a small group of Korean delegates, including Seoul National University's President, Chung Un-Chan, for the annual BESETOHA (Beijing, Seoul, Tokyo and Hanoi) conference held at Beijing University. Four presidents from four major universities in East Asia delivered keynote speeches in their respective languages, with simultaneous interpretations, rather than in English - a gesture of cultural representation that served to express national pride.
Indeed, it was good to see dignitaries from the four East Asian countries so full of national pride and confidence, each for their own reasons. For the Chinese delegates, it was likely due to their recent economic growth and rosy prospects for the future, with a big country of approximately 1.35 billion people it is an enormous market of unrealized potential. The Japanese were no doubt confident because their nation is recuperating fast after recent years of economic recession and their role in Asia is once again becoming important, especially as they still enjoy a great deal of support from the United States. The Vietnamese delegates were as confident as ever, as their country is proudly emerging as an economic force at a very rapid pace. The Korean representatives also had reason to be confident, given Korea's remarkable achievements.

Yet, when a Chinese scholar abruptly asserted that world domination by the United States is in decline while the power of China is on the rise, Japanese scholars did not seem to agree. The Japanese were taciturn and did not say anything provocative, but I could sense a sharp tension between China and Japan over the hegemony of East Asia. Of course, they were all worldly, sophisticated and learned men, so there were no serious clashes of opinion or harsh words exchanged. Nonetheless, I could not help but detect a subtle rivalry between representatives of these two neighboring countries on certain international issues.

This was precisely the moment when I felt the sharp pangs of concern that accompany an identity crisis. While China and Japan sized each other up and warily broached political issues, Korea had to remain in the background. Korea might be strategically important both to China and Japan, but other than that it seems to hold no particular measure of significance. It was frustrating to be reminded that Korea is just a small peninsula caught between China and Japan, and often affected by their power struggles. There's no escaping the fact that, while we all share similarities, we are all vastly different politically and in the way we are seen on the world stage.

I become only too aware, as often happens at conferences in Beijing or Tokyo, that Korea is far from being the center of East Asia or the world. Perhaps Korea could try to be more conspicuous. For instance, the Roh administration should have agreed on a motto like, "Korea in the world" instead of "Korea, the hub of East Asia."

The conference was a great success, and brought us all together in a congenial international academic environment; I was happy to see old friends again from both from the University of Tokyo and Beijing University. But when all was said and done I remained troubled by the invisibility of Korea, occasionally lost somewhere between China and Japan. After the conference that day, I roamed the streets of Beijing before treading a solitary road to the Forbidden City. Once inside, the enormous grandeur of that famous palace was overwhelming compared to a rather cozy Kyongbok Palace in Seoul. It made me feel somewhat alone and reflective.

How much I shake my head these days at reckless young people and ill-informed politicians in Korea who haven't had much experience abroad and believe Korea to be well known and powerful in the world! How amused I am at their naivety in believing that Korea can do anything without the intervention of other countries! They only need look at a map to find out where we stand in the world, landlocked between two powerful countries, for that represents more than just our physical location. It has a cultural and historical dimension, too. This might be disheartening, but while our physical position will always remain the same, everything else can be changed. It is up to us to make it happen.



Dr. Kim is a professor of English and dean of the Language School at Seoul National University. - Ed.
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drcrazy



Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan

PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:33 am    Post subject: Re: thank you for saying this............ Reply with quote

flutieflakes wrote:
[CULTURAL KALEIDOSCOPE]A Korean in Beijing

Last week I was in Beijing with a small group of Korean delegates, including Seoul National University's President, Chung Un-Chan, for the annual BESETOHA (Beijing, Seoul, Tokyo and Hanoi) conference held at Beijing University. Four presidents from four major universities in East Asia delivered keynote speeches in their respective languages, with simultaneous interpretations, rather than in English - a gesture of cultural representation that served to express national pride.
Indeed, it was good to see dignitaries from the four East Asian countries so full of national pride and confidence, each for their own reasons. For the Chinese delegates, it was likely due to their recent economic growth and rosy prospects for the future, with a big country of approximately 1.35 billion people it is an enormous market of unrealized potential. The Japanese were no doubt confident because their nation is recuperating fast after recent years of economic recession and their role in Asia is once again becoming important, especially as they still enjoy a great deal of support from the United States. The Vietnamese delegates were as confident as ever, as their country is proudly emerging as an economic force at a very rapid pace. The Korean representatives also had reason to be confident, given Korea's remarkable achievements.

Yet, when a Chinese scholar abruptly asserted that world domination by the United States is in decline while the power of China is on the rise, Japanese scholars did not seem to agree. The Japanese were taciturn and did not say anything provocative, but I could sense a sharp tension between China and Japan over the hegemony of East Asia. Of course, they were all worldly, sophisticated and learned men, so there were no serious clashes of opinion or harsh words exchanged. Nonetheless, I could not help but detect a subtle rivalry between representatives of these two neighboring countries on certain international issues.

This was precisely the moment when I felt the sharp pangs of concern that accompany an identity crisis. While China and Japan sized each other up and warily broached political issues, Korea had to remain in the background. Korea might be strategically important both to China and Japan, but other than that it seems to hold no particular measure of significance. It was frustrating to be reminded that Korea is just a small peninsula caught between China and Japan, and often affected by their power struggles. There's no escaping the fact that, while we all share similarities, we are all vastly different politically and in the way we are seen on the world stage.

I become only too aware, as often happens at conferences in Beijing or Tokyo, that Korea is far from being the center of East Asia or the world. Perhaps Korea could try to be more conspicuous. For instance, the Roh administration should have agreed on a motto like, "Korea in the world" instead of "Korea, the hub of East Asia."

The conference was a great success, and brought us all together in a congenial international academic environment; I was happy to see old friends again from both from the University of Tokyo and Beijing University. But when all was said and done I remained troubled by the invisibility of Korea, occasionally lost somewhere between China and Japan. After the conference that day, I roamed the streets of Beijing before treading a solitary road to the Forbidden City. Once inside, the enormous grandeur of that famous palace was overwhelming compared to a rather cozy Kyongbok Palace in Seoul. It made me feel somewhat alone and reflective.

How much I shake my head these days at reckless young people and ill-informed politicians in Korea who haven't had much experience abroad and believe Korea to be well known and powerful in the world! How amused I am at their naivety in believing that Korea can do anything without the intervention of other countries! They only need look at a map to find out where we stand in the world, landlocked between two powerful countries, for that represents more than just our physical location. It has a cultural and historical dimension, too. This might be disheartening, but while our physical position will always remain the same, everything else can be changed. It is up to us to make it happen.



Dr. Kim is a professor of English and dean of the Language School at Seoul National University. - Ed.


Wow, you must have some very special job to have been a part of this event. What do you do exactly? And, for being a Korean, yor writing style in English is unbelievable. Shocked

But, I do have a question. What is the point of pointing out that some one named Dr. Kim is a prof etc. at SNU. Was he also at this event?
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Daechidong Waygookin



Joined: 22 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps because flutieflakes didnt wriote it. He pasted an article written by.......





















Dr. Kim, a professor at SNU.
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J.B. Clamence



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:50 am    Post subject: Re: thank you for saying this............ Reply with quote

drcrazy wrote:
Wow, you must have some very special job to have been a part of this event. What do you do exactly? And, for being a Korean, yor writing style in English is unbelievable. Shocked

But, I do have a question. What is the point of pointing out that some one named Dr. Kim is a prof etc. at SNU. Was he also at this event?


Was that supposed to be a joke?
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Blind Willie



Joined: 05 May 2004

PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ho hum. Another "I Hate Korea" justification thread...
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the eye



Joined: 29 Jan 2004

PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolling Eyes
why does someone always have to drop the hate card.
it's an article from a korean newspsper.
i didn't read any hate between the lines.
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Blind Willie



Joined: 05 May 2004

PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Article claims that Koreans are deluded folks who think their nation is bigger and better than it is. The original poster, presumably not a Korean, states, "Thanks for saying it"

This all suggests that the original poster has an axe to grind with Koreans that is unrelated to work problems, ie: They hate Korea for whatever reason and saw an article to support their emotional baggage and pet prejudices.

Real Reality does it several times a day. It's easy to pick up on.
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the eye



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RR and the OP are of similar intent??....nice to know there is a mind reader among us.

how many fingers am i holding up???




















it's a joke, don't call me a hater....ok?
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Blind Willie



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm certain your metal score board lit up like you won the superbowl...
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gochubandit



Joined: 29 Jul 2004
Location: under your bed... with a marker

PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This was precisely the moment when I felt the sharp pangs of concern that accompany an identity crisis. While China and Japan sized each other up and warily broached political issues, Korea had to remain in the background. Korea might be strategically important both to China and Japan, but other than that it seems to hold no particular measure of significance. It was frustrating to be reminded that Korea is just a small peninsula caught between China and Japan, and often affected by their power struggles. There's no escaping the fact that, while we all share similarities, we are all vastly different politically and in the way we are seen on the world stage.


some things NEVER change.
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tomwaits



Joined: 05 Feb 2003
Location: PC Bong

PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in China and thank flutie for posting this whatever his motive.

At this College there are 5 foreign English teachers and 5 Japanese teachers.(from Japan.) I find that interesting because they have issues with Japan for the same reason Koreans do. I have suggested that maybe they should study Hangul. But Japan is still what? the worlds 2nd biggest economy.

Korea really only registers here as an exporter of pop music and film. A lot of girls have photos of some Korean movie star but I don;t think it's considered a world power. In fact some think it's all like N Korea. OH products are popular here---you can buy shin ramyen anywhere and if you look around you can find Hite soju and even those little tuna cans.

The Lotte logo pops up a lot and also Daewoo. But I think Japan is still considered more important.
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