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�Ǵ� -- when to use it?

 
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SweetLou



Joined: 26 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 6:10 am    Post subject: �Ǵ� -- when to use it? Reply with quote

I've been studying Korean pretty intensely for the last month or two, and I still don't understand when to use �Ǵ�, or it's negative form. I've seen it used with time, with situations of surprise, and in about 20 other situations that seem to have absolutely nothing in common.

Is there a good online resource where I can read up on it? Or does anyone have any insight they can share? I've seen a bunch of Korean experts posting on here, so I'm hoping somebody can help.

What about a Korean Language Forum? THAT'D be cool.

Thanks,

-SL
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matthewwoodford



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I second that. There are a lot of threads related to learning Korean lately so why not create another forum. Maybe get some Koreans posting here.

As for �Ǵ� it's used in lots of different ways and forms part of lots of different patterns so don't worry about it.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Korean is a little so-so but the time i would use it the most is when you want to be something.

For example, I want to be a nurse:
��ȣ�縦 �ǰ� �;��

Basically present tense is become
Past tense is became.
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just because wrote:
My Korean is a little so-so


Who needs to learn Korean, when you are down with their english faves? Wink
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casey's moon



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In addition to just because's example, there are other usages too.

�Ǵ� is used in a variety of ways, and I won't pretend I can think of all of them, but here's another one:

In English we can say "I made the rice," or "The rice is done." You would usually use the latter in Korea since the rice cooker does all the work. In Korean you can say,
(����) ���� �������� (I made the rice) OR
���� �ƾ�� (The rice is done.)


The negative form is usually used to mean "that sucks" or "that won't/doesn't work." For example...

��ġ�� �����. (There's no kimchi)
�ȵſ�!!! (Oh no!!!)

Another usage is similar to "should" or "able to."

�� ���� ������ �ſ�? (Should/Can I eat this medicine?)

Basically, your question is a good one, as there are many usages of the verb �Ǵ� (I'm just scratching the surface, and someone may correct me or add to what I've said) which make it especially hard to understand at first. Eventually it starts to make sense, and it is best not to sweat it.

Anyway, enjoy your studies!!!
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just because



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know what was good.

I knew all those usages and use them myself.

Woo Hoo!!!!!
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azalea



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noun –��/�� �Ǵ�: change of state ��to become, to turn out, to change to��

It has become fall. ������ �ƾ��.
I have become a senior. (����/����) 4�г��� �ƾ��.
I would like to be (become) a doctor. (����) �ǻ簡 �ǰ� �;��.
I will be (become) a junior next year. (����) ���⿡ 3�г��� �� �ſ���.

Verb (some adjective) stem + �� �Ǵ�: ���� �Ǵ�, literally meaning 'turn out to ��', 'come to ��', 'get to ��', 'end up with', 'result in', or 'it happens that��', expresses a change in situation or turn of events. That is, a person was in one event and is now in another event. The change in situation or turn of events is mostly accidental or something that is independent of the person's will or volition. It is typically used in telling news.

(It turned out that) I will go to Korea next year. ���⿡ �ѱ��� ���� �ƾ��.
(It turned out) that I will get a scholarship. ���б��� �ް� �ƾ��.
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Harin



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

when i saw this, the first thing that came to my mind was the old dialect that often used by halmoni or halabuji (old folks).

they often sigh and say, "ah.....�Ǵ�". It means, 'ah...what a day" or "ah...I am pooped"....or "I am soo tired".

I am not so sure of spelling, but it sure sounds the same. Very Happy
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billybrobby



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Last edited by billybrobby on Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:27 pm; edited 1 time in total
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casey's moon



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I might totally wrong here, but I always thought you couldn't use ��/�� with �Ǵ�. Shouldn't you write ��ȣ�簡 �ǰ� �;�� instead of ��ȣ�縦 �ǰ� �;��?


That sounds about right.


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Also, one time my subway card got scrambled so I told the guy behind the counted "������, ī�� �� �ſ�" and he seemed to know just what I was talking about and fixed it.


Yeah, that would be the "doesn't work" usage. Nice one.

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they often sigh and say, "ah.....�Ǵ�". It means, 'ah...what a day" or "ah...I am pooped"....or "I am soo tired".


This one is new to me. Can you hear it in Seoul, or in another part of Korea? I'll be listening for it....

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Verb (some adjective) stem + �� �Ǵ�: ���� �Ǵ�, literally meaning 'turn out to ��', 'come to ��', 'get to ��', 'end up with', 'result in', or 'it happens that��', expresses a change in situation or turn of events. That is, a person was in one event and is now in another event. The change in situation or turn of events is mostly accidental or something that is independent of the person's will or volition. It is typically used in telling news.


Right -- that's a good one -- although I rarely use it. I'm not sure it is "mostly accidental" in its actual usage, although that certainly is the nuance. I've got to think about that one some more...
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dogbert



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harin wrote:
when i saw this, the first thing that came to my mind was the old dialect that often used by halmoni or halabuji (old folks).

they often sigh and say, "ah.....�Ǵ�". It means, 'ah...what a day" or "ah...I am pooped"....or "I am soo tired".

I am not so sure of spelling, but it sure sounds the same. Very Happy


Yeah! That got me the first several times I heard it. I understand it's a Pusanism.
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visviva



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thought it was �ƴ�.
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