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philinkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Seriously though, fortune telling is a big stinking load of crap |
You seem to just be blatantly ignoring anyones messages on this board. What about the people who have been told things which are correct. I wrote a while ago to question these type of responses but to no reply. Many people including myself have been told very relevant things. I dont believe it completely but I think theres definitely something in it and I believe most people who have spoke to a few would see something similar.
You keep quoting science but if someone tells you something that they could in no way have known even though they have scientific way of having found it out isnt it somehow not scientific to not question how they did know and then perhaps look for some kind of alternative answer. eg well perhaps this person does have some kind of intuition and can see things which cannot be explained by science. that makes sense to me |
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philinkorea
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Seriously though, fortune telling is a big stinking load of crap |
You seem to just be blatantly ignoring anyones messages on this board. What about the people who have been told things which are correct. I wrote a while ago to question these type of responses but to no reply. Many people including myself have been told very relevant things. I dont believe it completely but I think theres definitely something in it and I believe most people who have spoke to a few would see something similar.
You keep quoting science but if someone tells you something that they could in no way have known even though they have scientific way of having found it out isnt it somehow not scientific to not question how they did know and then perhaps look for some kind of alternative answer. eg
well maybe this person does have some kind of intuition. that makes sense to me rather than the perspective 'itd wrong its not science'. thats like a narrow minded view whereas the person is simply refusing to think for oneself |
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Merlyn
Joined: 08 Dec 2004 Location: Korea
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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You keep quoting science but if someone tells you something that they could in no way have known even though they have scientific way of having found it out isnt it somehow not scientific to not question how they did know and then perhaps look for some kind of alternative answer. eg
well maybe this person does have some kind of intuition. that makes sense to me rather than the perspective 'itd wrong its not science'. thats like a narrow minded view whereas the person is simply refusing to think for oneself. |
I understand this might sound like a lot of extra work, but if you want to quiet the critics, next time you go to see a psychic, can you record the conversation? There are a lot of people out there who believe that psychics can give accurate predictions, can speak to the dead, etc, and many will swear by their own experiences, but a careful evaluation of most of these descriptions, if not all, by any second party will show the reading really wasn't that accurate. Often times it will even show just how much the person who was having the reading was really looking for the results. There are a lot of readings online from so-called professional psychics, channelers, etc, that you can see. And if these are people who are getting paid, in some cases, milliions of dollars, can not provide any better accuracy then you have to wonder about those psychics who are not nearly as successful. Again it doesn't rule out the possibility that they are. |
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philinkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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well i havnt recorded a conversation but i can say i have been told stuff definitely not looking for results. i made reference in an earlier post about stuff i was told which was no way me looking for results eg my family problems, me having psychosomatic problems, and their being cancer in my family. none of which id thought of at the time. but a few months later when i felt depression i spoke to a counsellor and worked through these issues to my amazing relief.
i didnt even know the meaning of the term psychosomatic problems but my therapist later said and believed that my problems caused my cancer when i was 18 years old. they said my first job would be dealing with foreign people which would be what would finially make me dependent from my family, that happened when i moved to korea although id forgotton about this as the notes my friends wrote were in a cupboard i found a year and a half later. loads of the other stuff they said was stuff which used a bit of insight but i saw as pretty irrelevant.
all im saying is that there is enough evidence provided here to say there is clearly something in it, even if not much at all and science does not provide a total answer. i stand by my last post 100% as making more sense than the science avids on the board. the reading do clearly provide more than the participants wanting. also i would add there is bad stuff.
which wouldnt be lead on.
my friend as i said was told she would move to china and marry a chinese man. she studied chinese as her major and wanted to move there. none of this was said by her. and she was told bad stuff how he wouldnt care about her. also a comical incident of a student of mine who went with his gf and also thought it was a load of bs. as soon as he sat down his gf was told by the fortune teller, hes bad for you, hes a playboy and he meets a younger girl now. all of which was true. so was this somehow lead on? i doubt in. my friend was really angry although it was totally true leading to his hatred of fortune tellers. |
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katydid

Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Location: Here kitty kitty kitty...
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd go for a giggle. I'm just curious as to what they would say. I've had some interesting unusual circumstances in my past happen to me. I'd actually believe the reading if the fortune teller picked up on those. |
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Daechidong Waygookin

Joined: 22 Nov 2004 Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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They start out with totally general stuff, let you fill in the blanks by asking you all sorts of elading questions and you come out thinking they are psychic.
You would work with foreign people. Gee, every job I had I worked with tons of foreign people. Its not hard to do living in Canada or the States or Oz where there are so many immigrants.
You had cancer in your family. Who hasnt? I know I have had cancer in my family. |
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Merlyn
Joined: 08 Dec 2004 Location: Korea
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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I know you haven't recorded your session, but let's just take a closer look at what you've been told by the psychic, from what you've written here, and see how unique these things are and I have a few other questions. Again, perhaps, this psychic does have a special intuition. You've mentioned family problems, psychosomatic problems and cancer "being in the family". Sounds like quite a few people, and "being in the family" could mean, immediate or distant relatives. Also quite common. I'm not sure what you mean when you then say, "none of which I'd thought of at the time", but then a few months later when I felt depression I spoke to a councellor and worked through these issues to my amazing relief" and then you say "my therapist later said and believed that my problems caused my cancer when I was 18". So you had cancer before you went to the psychic, and when he/she said there was cancer in the family, that was something you never thought of at the time? Maybe you could clarify that.
The psychic said your first job would be dealing with foreign people. Ok, not bad. And then you moved to Korea. Maybe intuition. Of course, we do live in a global community now so even if you didn't move to Korea it would still be possible for you to meet foreign people. I'm stretching I know.
I'm not sure that I would agree that there is enough evidence provided here here to say there is clearly something in it, but personal judgment will have to decide that. And you're right "science does not provide a total answer". As a matter of fact, it doesn't provide total answers about anything. Even the law of gravity and other natural laws are not total answers, just good predictions based on observation. If you provided one fact, or prior verifiable claim, that could not have come from almost anyone who has no psychic powers, then I would agree that you would be right in that your last post makes "more sense than the science avids on the board".
Now this is possibly good evidence though, but I would like to have more information about your friend. So you say your friend wanted to move to China and that she studied Chinese before it was mentioned she "would move to china and marry a chinese man". I'm curious about that just because China doesn't seem like a normal place where most non-Chinese would want to move. Your friend wasn't Chinese was she? And also was she a student of languages or only Chinese?
And finally, about the "comical incident". Did your friend happen to show any feelings, or mention anything aloud, during the session, or did his girlfriend make known to the psychic his feelings about the session, that it was a "load of bs". You probably don't know, I would imagine. If he did, this might not make the fortune teller very happy. The fortune teller being angered might even say to the more believing girlfriend "he's bad for you, he's a playboy and he meets a younger girl now. all of which was true". But even if this wasn't the case, the fortune teller said he was meeting another girl. Now maybe you were misquoted here. I, for one, meet people quite often as well. Right, today I'm meeting with my co-workers and on the weekend I met with my brother. Wouldn't the fortune teller be more accurate to say that he was "cheating" on her. God knows, this guy would be upset with the fortune teller if he/she managed to convince his girlfriend to break up with her because he was talking with a girl, who his girlfriend maybe was suspicious about, the final straw so to speak. Just my speculation of course.
Anyways, just my assessment of what you've written here. The original recording would have been better, or even the notes that you say you've kept. |
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Daechidong Waygookin

Joined: 22 Nov 2004 Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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Every job Ive ever had involved working with foreign people. Not hard in countries with a lot of immigration. The language you used to describe what the spychic said is so general it could fit so many different scenarios. The only thing that is specific is the China thing, but Im betting a lot of other things were said before that, which the "psychic" picked up on. These people are professionals at what they do - getting info out of you when you dont even realize it.
And besides, if there are so many psychics why are they making peanuts doing that job? Why dont they just play the Powrball, win 60 million and retire? And why did the Psychic Network go bankrupt? Didnt those psychics see that coming? |
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Daechidong Waygookin

Joined: 22 Nov 2004 Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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Every job Ive ever had involved working with foreign people. Not hard in countries with a lot of immigration. The language you used to describe what the spychic said is so general it could fit so many different scenarios. The only thing that is specific is the China thing, but Im betting a lot of other things were said before that, which the "psychic" picked up on. These people are professionals at what they do - getting info out of you when you dont even realize it.
And besides, if there are so many psychics why are they making peanuts doing that job? Why dont they just play the Powrball, win 60 million and retire? And why did the Psychic Network go bankrupt? Didnt those psychics see that coming? |
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Daechidong Waygookin

Joined: 22 Nov 2004 Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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Every jib Ive ever had involved working with foreign people. Not hard in countries with a lot of immigration. The language you used to describe what the spychic said is so general it could fit so many different scenarios. The only thing that is specific is the China thing, but Im betting a lot of other things were said before that, which the "psychic" picked up on. These people are professionals at what they do - getting info out of you when you dont even realize it.
And besides, if there are so many psychic s why are they making peanuts doing that job? Why dont they just play the Powrball, win 60 million and retire? And why did the Psychic Network go bankrupt? Did those psychics see that coming? |
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Daechidong Waygookin

Joined: 22 Nov 2004 Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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Every job Ive ever had involved working with foreign people. Not hard in countries with a lot of immigration. The language you used to describe what the spychic said is so general it could fit so many different scenarios. The only thing that is specific is the China thing, but Im betting a lot of other things were said before that, which the "psychic" picked up on. These people are professionals at what they do - getting info out of you when you dont even realize it.
And besides, if there are so many psychics why are they making peanuts doing that job? Why dont they just play the Powrball, win 60 million and retire? And why did the Psychic Network go bankrupt? Didnt those psychics see that coming? |
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Daechidong Waygookin

Joined: 22 Nov 2004 Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Every job Ive ever had involved working with foreign people. Not hard in countries with a lot of immigration. The language you used to describe what the spychic said is so general it could fit so many different scenarios. The only thing that is specific is the China thing, but Im betting a lot of other things were said before that, which the "psychic" picked up on. These people are professionals at what they do - getting info out of you when you dont even realize it.
And besides, if there are so many psychics why are they making peanuts doing that job? Why dont they just play the Powrball, win 60 million and retire? And why did the Psychic Network go bankrupt? Didnt those psychics see that coming? |
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Daechidong Waygookin

Joined: 22 Nov 2004 Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Mods, please delete the multiple posts |
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ajstew
Joined: 04 Feb 2004 Location: Korea
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:21 am Post subject: astrology |
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"They start out with totally general stuff"... yep... first thing the psychic said was that I was a 'twin'... pretty general. And love the use of 'they', from someone who probably hasn't been to 'one' before. And also love when people bring up Randi's 1,000,000 prize.... as if every astrologer and psychic in the world knows of Randi. My guess is that 99% of the astrologers and psychics living in Asia have never heard of him and that the numbers remain quite high outside of the U.S. . I'm sure every fraud knows of him though, because they're also the ones trying to make the big money.
I would like to say this though... that the korean friend I went to the psychic with, could not speak very good English and I'm not aware of exactly what she said to introduce me. But she was 'surprised' when the fortune teller began the conversation by stating that 'general stuff' that I was a twin. Now the sceptics would say... "oh... she couldn't speak good English... and she must have told the fortune teller that information." This, however, would not explain her 'surprise'... and she wasn't 'dumb'... the explanation the sceptic then has to turn too... because they can't except anything.
So was it a good guess? If it makes the sceptic sleep better at night... convinced that no where across this whole planet has there ever been a psychic who wasn't a fraud and out to simply make a 'buck'.
And for those of you who who keep saying that star constellations cannot have an effect on the personality... find me one Astrologer who has ever suggested this. It's always been planetary influences... not the constellations. And where did anybody ever suggest that Astrology determines what colour a baby is born? For those of you claiming to be so scientific... try sticking to what is actually said, because you're obviously not good at reading between the lines. No one has ever suggested that genetics has no part to play, and no Astrologist ever would. |
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ajstew
Joined: 04 Feb 2004 Location: Korea
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:22 am Post subject: astrology |
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"They start out with totally general stuff"... yep... first thing the psychic said was that I was a 'twin'... pretty general. And love the use of 'they', from someone who probably hasn't been to 'one' before. And also love when people bring up Randi's 1,000,000 prize.... as if every astrologer and psychic in the world knows of Randi. My guess is that 99% of the astrologers and psychics living in Asia have never heard of him and that the numbers remain quite high outside of the U.S. . I'm sure every fraud knows of him though, because they're also the ones trying to make the big money.
I would like to say this though... that the korean friend I went to the psychic with, could not speak very good English and I'm not aware of exactly what she said to introduce me. But she was 'surprised' when the fortune teller began the conversation by stating that 'general stuff' that I was a twin. Now the sceptics would say... "oh... she couldn't speak good English... and she must have told the fortune teller that information." This, however, would not explain her 'surprise'... and she wasn't 'dumb'... the explanation the sceptic then has to turn too... because they can't accept anything.
So was it a good guess? If it makes the sceptic sleep better at night... convinced that no where across this whole planet has there ever been a psychic who wasn't a fraud and out to simply make a 'buck'.
And for those of you who who keep saying that star constellations cannot have an effect on the personality... find me one Astrologer who has ever suggested this. It's always been planetary influences... not the constellations. And where did anybody ever suggest that Astrology determines what colour a baby is born? For those of you claiming to be so scientific... try sticking to what is actually said, because you're obviously not good at reading between the lines. No one has ever suggested that genetics has no part to play, and no Astrologist ever would. |
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