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Why do so many foreign teachers bash Americans?
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riley



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: where creditors can find me

PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been living here and have also had to deal with the anti-america @#$% from mostly Canadians. Of course most of my coworkers have also been Canadians. I don't mind the criticizing of my government too much, but I get really hate it when I am slapped with the dumb, anti-gay, bible thumping, war mongering label. What makes me laugh, is that these are the same ones who hate stereotypes and discrimination.
On another note, I too have gone for the whole America saved the world, why can't you guys be grateful line. The one time I actually said something like that (except more so) I almost got a righteous beat down by my New Zealander friend. He was nice enough to mention why first before anything happened. The truth is we weren't the only ones assaulting the beach at Normandy or in other places around the world at other times.

Eamo, interesting comparison between the IRA and the militia in the Revolutionary War. I would disagree with some of it because of course the militia never blew anything up, though that would be because of lack of technology. I would also say that the militia had less organization and motivation. They were mostly there for local reasons. The most glaring examples of the terrorrism that happened were in the south among the Appalachians. Some truly nasty bits. Washington's army was trained and generally operated similar to the British Army.
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shawner88



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been here for four years and I have never expereinced anything anti-American personally, except for one time. Shortly after that Appolo Oh no! incident, my students at the time were singing that F-ing USA song when I walked into class...my boss heard it too and gave them a lengthy lecture, while I stood by shrugging dumbly. That's it so far.
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of my best friends here are american Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad


Wink
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riley



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fair deal, some of mine are Canadian Evil or Very Mad Very Happy
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

riley wrote:
fair deal, some of mine are Canadian Evil or Very Mad Very Happy


who said I was canadian? Wink
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just because wrote:
Just look at their attitude on the Kyoto Accord(fair or unfair as it was) as an example of this at the moment of why their arrogance is really starting to give the rest of the world the poops.

Great threat on the Kyoto Accord right here.. many of the explanations explained why it was an all around bad deal right here:

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=30619&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 4:00 pm    Post subject: irks Reply with quote

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I also find it very humorous that they love to bash the U.S. military so much. I find it interesting that anyone in Korea teaching should be thanking every G.I. they see for the simple fact that they would not be able to have their easy job if American soldiers weren't protecting the peninsula for them... How many American soldiers died just to give them a place to come? Any foreign teachers in Pyongyang? Doubt it...


This is one of the things that doesnt endear Americans to their 'brothers to the North'. On the flip side maybe every American GI should be thanking every Canadian, English, French, Turk, Greek, Pole etc from the United Nations that gave their lives during the bloody conflict known as the Korean War.

As for military bashing it is usually done because its an easy target. They are involved in controversial actions that many people dont agree with. What alot of people forget is that the military is just following the orders of the American government(as they should, its their job!).

I am far from innocent in regards to bashing the American military. When they bombed the Canadians in Afghanistan I was plenty pissed off! What annoyed me even more was the apathetic response from my American co-workers. They couldnt bear to hear anything negative about thier armed forces. Some of their comments were 'well the Canadians were in the wrong place' Well they should have told the pilot who they were' 'You guys should stay back from the real fighting if you cant handle it!'

Now do I hate all Americans because of the actions of one pilot and 4 American teachers? No I hate 1 pilot and 4 pain in the ass teachers! Nationality doesnt have anything to do with it!


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crazykiwi



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The truth is we weren't the only ones assaulting the beach at Normandy or in other places around the world at other times.


Quite right. But what would of happened if other countries had refused to go with you? " You are either with us or against us". Now is that not a very hurtful statement to countries that just dont want to know? to labled as a country that is against america, ie, a terrorist nation? Sure Bush wasnt president when these other wars were on, but i can amagine the pressure lesser nations were under, to join the forces of america and britain, and go and fight because big brother said.

As for the bashing of americans, I personally, dont verbally attack them for being american, i would only do so if the person was a wank. any nation gets bashed at one time or another, i just wish a lot of them would not give cause. Stop bawling and take it like a man. stand up for yourself and just tell the person what you think about his or her words and let rip with a barrage of verbal insults that will shut their ignorant mouths.
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crazykiwi wrote:


Quite right. But what would of happened if other countries had refused to go with you? " You are either with us or against us". Now is that not a very hurtful statement to countries that just dont want to know? to labled as a country that is against america, ie, a terrorist nation? Sure Bush wasnt president when these other wars were on, but i can amagine the pressure lesser nations were under, to join the forces of america and britain, and go and fight because big brother said.


Check the facts on this one- as far as I know, the Americans were one of the last nations to get involved in WW2, and were rather isolationist before that.
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crazykiwi



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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but i can amagine the pressure lesser nations were under, to join the forces of america and britain, and go and fight because big brother said.


I said britain as well Smile I know for sure the only reason New Zealand fought in wars was because britain made us, for the fact we arent recognised as a nation unto its own, but still a colony of england 100 odd years after the fact. I was also refering to the recent wars in regards to my comments about the bush admin saying "you are with us.....". NZ will always be bullied into fighting, for the sole reason that we are considered small and easy to minipulate. " cut off their trade agreements....we'll make em fight!"
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Derrek



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:54 pm    Post subject: Re: irks Reply with quote

Grotto wrote:
Derreck wrote
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I also find it very humorous that they love to bash the U.S. military so much. I find it interesting that anyone in Korea teaching should be thanking every G.I. they see for the simple fact that they would not be able to have their easy job if American soldiers weren't protecting the peninsula for them... How many American soldiers died just to give them a place to come? Any foreign teachers in Pyongyang? Doubt it...


This is one of the things that doesnt endear Americans to their 'brothers to the North'. On the flip side maybe every American GI should be thanking every Canadian, English, French, Turk, Greek, Pole etc from the United Nations that gave their lives during the bloody conflict known as the Korean War.

As for military bashing it is usually done because its an easy target. They are involved in controversial actions that many people dont agree with. What alot of people forget is that the military is just following the orders of the American government(as they should, its their job!).

I am far from innocent in regards to bashing the American military. When they bombed the Canadians in Afghanistan I was plenty pissed off! What annoyed me even more was the apathetic response from my American co-workers. They couldnt bear to hear anything negative about thier armed forces. Some of their comments were 'well the Canadians were in the wrong place' Well they should have told the pilot who they were' 'You guys should stay back from the real fighting if you cant handle it!'

Now do I hate all Americans because of the actions of one pilot and 4 American teachers? No I hate 1 pilot and 4 pain in the ass teachers! Nationality doesnt have anything to do with it!



Grotto, check the posts. I didn't type that... another poster did....

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Derrek



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Delelted -- double post.

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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was only a matter of time before this bad boy popped up again.

I'm thankful that all of the non-Americans I know know how to ease into a political discussion without being abrasive (not to me necessarily, just in general) and then ease back out of it and get back to the drinking. I don't mind discussing political stuff when I'm sober, and maybe even learn a few things, but beer + angry politics = buzzkill. And if everyone you meet seems to be a buzzkiller, meet some new people.
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riverboy



Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 9:08 pm    Post subject: To the OP Reply with quote

I suggest pre-emtive strikes from now on. As soon as you meet a Canadian, go right for the throat. Call him/her a no good homo lovin' pot smokin nothern liberal. Confiscate their passport and and visa of mass distraction and report them to immigration for teacching privates.

Damn Canucks and their friggin opinions.
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Keepongoing



Joined: 13 Feb 2003
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 9:42 pm    Post subject: i hear it all the time Reply with quote

WE have few Americans and many Canadians/European teachers. I try to sense where they are coming from and can understand how they feel. I mean if the shoe were on the other foot I would probably feel the same way. Also it is a unifying thing! When they all bash America it becomes the point of bonding between them; of course the Americans get left out.

I take it with a grain of salt, I do not take it personally. If you see where it comes from, it is then hard to take seriously.

That kind of stuff says more about the sender than it does the receiver.

I owned a Mercedes 240D that had 200,000 miles on it. When someone with a Ford or Chevy made any comment, I did not respond. A Mercedes needs no defending!!!!! I knew that when those new Chevey/Fords get into the junkyard that the Mercedes would still be on the road.

America has it wrongs, its greed, self-interests etc...all countries do. America seems to risk more and so often sticks its neck out. Even I think that many of its statements sound arrogant, that it plays the world's policeman too much. I wish we were not in Iraq! We are going into big debt and lots of young men and women are dying and it is making us unpopular????? I do not like it--I think the proice we are paying is way too high. But I spoke with some people,contractors, who spent time in Iraq. he tells me that what we see on the news does not totally reflect the reality. He loved being in Iraq, he loved the people. He toured some of Saddam's 70 palaces and was nauseated to see the degree of extravagance that was there. If in the end, the people are better off and can have a form of government that works for them, great. But America is paying a big price for that and we are not realizing a return on our investment of money, lives and world standing. The oil has yet to prosper us as many claim.

I have lived in Asia for over 20 years. I was in the Grand Ole Opry one night and they played the American anthem. I stood and placed my hand over my heart and stood alongside the soldier as I faced the flag. Afterwards my Canadian friend scolded me for my display of patriotism. The next time he was wth me in that bar I did the same thing, I am not ashamed! I disagree with many things about American government and even some American traits, but I will always stand tall and pay my nation respect! I will do it just as I always have done, and before, as a soldier in Korea I stood just as tall.

You don't like our movies? Produce your own movies where you save the world. Do you expect us to produce movies where Ireland or New Zealand saves the world????

You can mock us and burn our flag, but you can not hinder our spirit, change our heritage or shame us into not respecting our nation.

When someone is always seeing the negative in others and criticizing them it is obvious that those people are miserable inside. Find me a person who habitually sees the good in others, who encourages others and rarely condemns and I will show you a happy person.
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