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crazylemongirl
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| thorin wrote: |
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Depends where/who you want to teach. In new zealand you can have a basic 3 year degree and then you can get a 1 year teaching diploma that lets you teach in most english speaking countries. You can also enter masters after 1 year of study rather than going the full ba route.
Reasonably cheap for overseas students. |
Why didn't you tell me this when I was 17? 3 year degrees? Skip your BA and go straight to an MA? Sounds unbelieveably good to an American. |
Here's the killer tution for an overseas student is $10-12kNZ when I went through so about 6-8kUSD! When you factor in reasonable costs of living if you go to a university of the main center it's just about as cheap to study in new zealand as it is back in the states. |
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turtlepi1
Joined: 15 Jun 2004
Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE
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| Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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I think a very important distinction here should be made between:
1) M. Ed.
2) M.A. in Ed........
The first degree is almost always supplimentary to a B.Ed, and is usually a very focused study on a single aspect of Education.
The Second, while similar to the M.Ed in that it is education focused, does not need to be proceeded by a B.Ed or ANY education courses formally.
Maybe I am misunderstanding a distinction; maybe it is a Canadian thing. All I know is the friend a's degree from Australia is a M.A. in Educational Planning (or some BS) while as friend b's degree from U-Vic says "Masters of Education in ...." (special needs curriculum development in her case).
Again, I just want to stress than in more and more provinces in Canada, M.Eds are not licensed to teach. The only program that licences you to teach right of the bat is your B.Ed (or working up to it). One would assume this is similar in other countries as well. Also, foreign Masters degrees, ESPECIALLY AUSTRALIAN do not hold alot of weight with alot of certifing boards.
I took a program similiar to what CLG described- a 15 month post degree curriculum in Education. Left me roughly 2-3 courses shy of a B.Ed, but I am certified everywhere i have gone (looked into NZ, US, and Aus before I came here). I can take a M.Ed w/o having to finish my B.Ed. It was a good route, and I am glad I took it. |
BAH!!!
OP: Look at things by a case by case...decide a direction you think you might be interested in and take the approach that will seem to get you there with the least resistance....
CC and I can't seem to agree (at least totally) and we are both from Canada. I have looked into this in multiple provinces and did tons of research and I am still not in a position to say CC is full of shit... 
But I will point out one thing...Depending on the department you apply to you can get an MA - Education or an MEd-applied linguistics taking exactly the same courses with the same professors...(Austrailian university - one of the "Big 2 onliners") and as for Australian degrees not carrying much weight that could be true but (I think it is UNE) is applying to have it's degrees certified in the US so I wouldn't so readily dismiss them.
(Mind you that leads to questions about the value of a US degree and I think the answer to that can be quite mixed) I have a BSc from a crappy US university...(as in crappy school - not implying US degrees are crappy in general...I'll leave that to the American bashers from my fine country...  ) |
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CanadaCommando
Joined: 13 Feb 2004
Location: People's Republic of C.C.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| CC and I can't seem to agree (at least totally) and we are both from Canada. I have looked into this in multiple provinces and did tons of research and I am still not in a position to say CC is full of *beep*... |
Where did we disagree? Not sure, as most of your points seem to make sense to me...but there is always a good chance I am full of...kaka... 
I totally agree on one point...case by case basis. If you want to teach in the States, best thing to do is to check what they want first.
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Yep...do you want to teach kids? Go the BEd route...
If you don't want to teach kids, then the MEd route might make more sense.
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Again, I am with you on this one. If you don't want to teach kids, then skip the B.Ed process, as alot of it is Child Development, Pysch. courses, Behaviour Managment. The only truely useful courses for someone not teaching kids would be Assessment and Criteria classes...and this is probably already developed if you have taught for a few years.
ALL my spew is totally focused about teaching kids...I know zippo about teaching adults.
K...now I am really ondering....where the heck do we differ in opinions?  |
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turtlepi1
Joined: 15 Jun 2004
Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE
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| Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| CanadaCommando wrote: |
Where did we disagree? Not sure, as most of your points seem to make sense to me...but there is always a good chance I am full of...kaka...
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hehe I wasn't taking a slam at you by the way...I'm sort of frustrated with the whole degree as a business mentality the world has become...
I think we are on point for most of it...but I think MEd's hold more than just a continuation of a BEd and like I said...got into a pretty good one without a BEd.
Doesn't mean your thoughts aren't valid (or that I am discounting your experiences) I was just pointing out how frustrating it is after looking so much I STILL couldn't argue our different experiences with any sort of confidence...
I think you are right though...a lot of what we said was similar.
(Guess I owe you a beer for the fake slam...) |
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TECO
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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Master of Education degrees DO NOT make one eligible to teach in public schools in Canada.
You must have a B.Ed degree to obtain a teacher qualification from the province.
The M.Ed and B.Ed are two completely different things. Do not compare them.
Keep in mind, the laws, rules, regulations, etc differ from country to country.
But in Canada, an M.Ed does NOT qualify to teach in public schools.
Only a B.Ed will qualify you to teach in public schools in Canada.
U.S.
Australia
U.K
all may have different laws and regulations and degrees that lead to teacher certification aftre doing an M.Ed.
Also, not all M.Ed programs are the same - there are dozens, it seems! Each one with a different focus.
My best advice would be for you to e-mail some universities back home and get the 'scoop' on teacher certification and dergee requirements and the differences between B.Ed and M.Ed degrees. |
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turtlepi1
Joined: 15 Jun 2004
Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE
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| TECO wrote: |
Master of Education degrees DO NOT make one eligible to teach in public schools in Canada.
You must have a B.Ed degree to obtain a teacher qualification from the province.
The M.Ed and B.Ed are two completely different things. Do not compare them.
Keep in mind, the laws, rules, regulations, etc differ from country to country.
But in Canada, an M.Ed does NOT qualify to teach in public schools.
Only a B.Ed will qualify you to teach in public schools in Canada.
U.S.
Australia
U.K
all may have different laws and regulations and degrees that lead to teacher certification aftre doing an M.Ed.
Also, not all M.Ed programs are the same - there are dozens, it seems! Each one with a different focus.
My best advice would be for you to e-mail some universities back home and get the 'scoop' on teacher certification and dergee requirements and the differences between B.Ed and M.Ed degrees. |
Mostly true...
In Ontario you can teach without either if you are in the Information Technology field...(or a couple of other select areas)
Sure they are different...a Master's degree is all about specialization
That's the purpose of grad school. |
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tommynomad
Joined: 24 Jul 2004
Location: on the move
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| Koreabound2004 wrote: |
You don't need to study 5-6 years to get a B.Ed.
Many Canadians do 3 year general B.A's, and do another 1 year B.Ed after that. |
Where can you still do a 3-year B.A.? Manitoba phased them out 3 or 4 years ago, and I thought they were the last ones.
And whoever mentioned that you can teach in Canada without a B.Ed--where? You can't get a license in Manitoba without one, so says the Dept. of Education. |
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turtlepi1
Joined: 15 Jun 2004
Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE
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| Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:42 am Post subject: |
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And whoever mentioned that you can teach in Canada without a B.Ed--where? You can't get a license in Manitoba without one, so says the Dept. of Education. |
Manatoba isn't all of Canada, dontchaknow...
Ontario if you have the right teachables...but I think I said that in an earlier post..  |
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