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hellofaniceguy

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: On your computer screen!
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:08 pm Post subject: Movie lovers in korea....how long before Bit Torrent... |
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Gentlemen...place your bets.....How long before it is up and running again?
Hollywood steps up piracy fight
Major studios announce fresh crackdown on illegal downloads
December 14, 2004: 3:26 PM EST
By Krysten Crawford, CNN/Money staff writer
NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - The Motion Picture Association of America announced a new campaign aimed at slowing the illegal downloading of movies off the Internet.
The MPAA, the main lobbying group for Hollywood's major studios, held a news conference Tuesday afternoon to trumpet the latest crackdown, which representatives said included both civil lawsuits and criminal prosecutions around the world.
"We have taken action against over 100 servers in many countries on four continents," said John Malcolm, the director of worldwide anti-piracy at the MPAA. He said steps were taken this week in the U.S., the United Kingdom, France, Finland and the Netherlands.
The announcement comes one month after the MPAA filed its first batch of lawsuits against more than 200 individuals it accused of stealing movies off the Web.
The measures taken this week, however, were not directed at individuals who download movies. Instead, the targets were people who act as conduits between downloaders and three specific "peer-to-peer" file-sharing technologies: BitTorrent, eDonkey, and DirectConnect.
These intermediaries provide users with lists of movies, songs and television shows that can be swapped with other users. |
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katydid

Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Location: Here kitty kitty kitty...
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Um, is this only directed at movies, or TV shows as well. I'll be damned if I can't watch the new Lost episodes in a couple of months!
EDIT: I just read the last paragraph. Dammit! |
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ThisCharmingMan

Joined: 11 Jan 2004
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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This is something slightly different but I just got my IP banned from #tvtorrents @ EFnet.
Anybody else experience this? Was there some rule where I had to share? Come on! I only snatched torennts for the first five "Lost" episodes and what am I going to share? Korean dramas?! |
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FUBAR
Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: The Y.C.
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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ThisCharmingMan wrote: |
This is something slightly different but I just got my IP banned from #tvtorrents @ EFnet.
Anybody else experience this? Was there some rule where I had to share? Come on! I only snatched torennts for the first five "Lost" episodes and what am I going to share? Korean dramas?! |
The rule on most of the Torrent sites is that you must have a 1:1 sharing ratio. That means if you download a 350MB TV show, you must allow for 350MB to be uploaded. That doesn't mean uploading Korean dramas. You can leave your download connection open for a while until your cpu has uploaded the same amout as the file you downloaded.Since I usually download programs while sleeping, my Share Ratio is usually around 2.5 or higher. |
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ThisCharmingMan

Joined: 11 Jan 2004
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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FUBAR wrote: |
ThisCharmingMan wrote: |
This is something slightly different but I just got my IP banned from #tvtorrents @ EFnet.
Anybody else experience this? Was there some rule where I had to share? Come on! I only snatched torennts for the first five "Lost" episodes and what am I going to share? Korean dramas?! |
The rule on most of the Torrent sites is that you must have a 1:1 sharing ratio. That means if you download a 350MB TV show, you must allow for 350MB to be uploaded. That doesn't mean uploading Korean dramas. You can leave your download connection open for a while until your cpu has uploaded the same amout as the file you downloaded.Since I usually download programs while sleeping, my Share Ratio is usually around 2.5 or higher. |
Is there anyway I could get back in thier favor again. Onced banned is it forever? |
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chiaa
Joined: 23 Aug 2003
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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Bittorrent is a bit different from most PtoP clients. With Kazaa you are an active participant. It is plain as day as you have to have the Kazaa program running and be "signed" in on their network. On the other hand, Bittorrent can be in the background and there is no signing in to any kind of network. Thus, hackers can easily get into your computer, put a file on there without you knowing and send all over the earth. This is mostly done with what is known as XDCC sends on MIRC, but this can also be easily done with Bittorrent. Hackers usually will take over a university computer and allow people to access their really fast bandwidth.
A vast majority of "channels" on MIRC have these XDCCs and I would say 90% of all of them are hijacked computers. These press releases are just to get people scared in downloading something. MPAA and others who want to protect their material are really going after the "couriers" of the movies. |
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itaewonguy

Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:04 am Post subject: |
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when will the movie studios just give up!
seems alot of the music performers like illegal downloading says it helps there sales.. they still make money from other things anyway..
movie studios.. ok come on! they are acting like they are losing billions of dollars!! PLEEAASE give me a break!!!
the cinemas are still packed out! people are paying 10 bucks for a movie!
where the star recieved 20 million dollars for 3 months work!!!
they make money of box office, sydication, videos, cable, etc..
so now they want to stop a few million people around the world from watching a movie.. ? give me a break...
LONG LIVE TORRENTS andf ILLEGAL DOWNLOADING!
the only way they will ever stop it.. is by pulling the plug on the whole internet! and I dont see that happening!!
they losing money?? stop paying ridiculous salaries like 20 million dollars for a star.. |
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kprrok
Joined: 06 Apr 2004 Location: KC
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:11 am Post subject: |
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I think you kind of miss the point Itaewonguy. The MPAA is simply acting like any and all other corporations in America. No amount of profit is enough. If they can make an extra hundred grand by shutting down any file sharing site, they'll do it. That is an extra hundred grand for them and it's worth it. To repeat: no amount of profit is ever enough!
And you yourself said it, it's illegal downloading. You have admitted to breaking the law, so what's wrong with them trying to enforce the law?
I admit, I download stuff. But it's only stuff that I can't get here. British football programs, TV shows that aren't on DVD yet, and some music that I had to leave back home. I fully inted to buy the West Wing DVD sets when they come out, but until then, I don't feel bad about downloading b/c I know I will buy what I download in the future. Also, I don't mind downloading the music b/c I've already paid for it once.
I have no problem paying for my entertainment and I support the artists that I enjoy.
If you don't agree, hey, that's your perogative. But as long as it's illegal, you have to be willing to accept that it may be stopped at stometime. And until then, the "powers that be" will continue to try to shut you down.
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chiaa
Joined: 23 Aug 2003
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:11 am Post subject: |
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itaewonguy wrote: |
when will the movie studios just give up!
seems alot of the music performers like illegal downloading says it helps there sales.. they still make money from other things anyway..
movie studios.. ok come on! they are acting like they are losing billions of dollars!! PLEEAASE give me a break!!!
the cinemas are still packed out! people are paying 10 bucks for a movie!
where the star recieved 20 million dollars for 3 months work!!!
they make money of box office, sydication, videos, cable, etc..
so now they want to stop a few million people around the world from watching a movie.. ? give me a break...
LONG LIVE TORRENTS andf ILLEGAL DOWNLOADING!
the only way they will ever stop it.. is by pulling the plug on the whole internet! and I dont see that happening!!
they losing money?? stop paying ridiculous salaries like 20 million dollars for a star.. |
The studios ARE losing a lot of money. The artists are happy because even when they were with the music studios, they were only getting 25 cents per CD sale.
The movie industry on the other hand I can understand them losing a lot of money. I was watching something or another where out of ten movies:
3 Will break even
3 Will lose money
3 Will make a little bit of money
1 Will make a lot of money
The one that makes a lot of money makes up for all the other movies.
The movie and record industry was just slow and they really need to get their act together and figure out how they can make money with the new technology. People are different from fifty years ago. With movies, almost every American saw at least one movie per week (this stat is off the top of my head and I believe it to be accurate). They actually enjoyed a night out on the town. Now, most Americans would rather stay in the comfort of their own home and rent a flick. I work 60-70 hours a week and have a nine month old. It is next to impossible for me to go out to the movies. It is much easier for me to make a couple of clicks and watch in the comfort of my home. |
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itaewonguy

Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:49 am Post subject: |
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kprrok wrote: |
I think you kind of miss the point Itaewonguy. The MPAA is simply acting like any and all other corporations in America. No amount of profit is enough. If they can make an extra hundred grand by shutting down any file sharing site, they'll do it. That is an extra hundred grand for them and it's worth it. To repeat: no amount of profit is ever enough!
And you yourself said it, it's illegal downloading. You have admitted to breaking the law, so what's wrong with them trying to enforce the law?
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illegal! I used that word becuase thats what the MPAA are calling it!
I call it file sharing.. theft? hahha like charging 11 dollars to watch a movie isnt theft?
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I admit, I download stuff. But it's only stuff that I can't get here. British football programs, TV shows that aren't on DVD yet, and some music that I had to leave back home. I fully inted to buy the West Wing DVD sets when they come out, but until then, I don't feel bad about downloading b/c I know I will buy what I download in the future. Also, I don't mind downloading the music b/c I've already paid for it once.
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intentions doesnt matter.. fact is you are downloading right now!
so its illegal.. dude I know what you are saying..I have intentions to buy dvds too.. but I too watch docos, programs that cant be viewed here..
thats why downloading is a such a great asset for people living abroad..
shoudnt feel guilty downloading...
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have no problem paying for my entertainment and I support the artists that I enjoy.
If you don't agree, hey, that's your perogative. But as long as it's illegal, you have to be willing to accept that it may be stopped at stometime. And until then, the "powers that be" will continue to try to shut you down.
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I agree with you.. and I agree with the MPAA and I agree with the citizens of earth.. they are losing hundreds of thousands of dollars..
well how about letting leonardio dicaprio or julia roberts to cover those losses! becuase them making 20 million dollars a movie.. twice a year 40 million plus not to mention all the press junkets.. they probably walk away with 50 million a year.. so if the studios want to save money.. how about cutting salaries.. you know what I say!>?? ITS PAY BACK!!!
they all get rich anyway!
look at the box office totals.. they are still making millions..
so *beep* them!!!
chiaa wrote: |
The studios ARE losing a lot of money. The artists are happy because even when they were with the music studios, they were only getting 25 cents per CD sale.
The movie industry on the other hand I can understand them losing a lot of money. I was watching something or another where out of ten movies:
3 Will break even
3 Will lose money
3 Will make a little bit of money
1 Will make a lot of money
The one that makes a lot of money makes up for all the other movies.
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Its not becuase of illegal downloading though..
there are many factors to look at..
a bad script is a start!
bad marketing!
wrong casting!
blar blar..
a few million people downloading it.. doesnt mean that that million people would have gone to see it at the movies!
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They actually enjoyed a night out on the town. Now, most Americans would rather stay in the comfort of their own home and rent a flick. |
saw a documentary on 60 minutes about this.. well the reason is..
home theater technology.. Americans like things bigger..
so now with projection units coming down in price its much better..
can have your friends over.. can pause it and get a beer.. can go to the toilet... dont have to be blocked of viewing by the big guy in front of you
no one coughing and making noise.. can enjoy the movie in the comfort of your own home..
this doesnt mean those people will be on torrent and download it...
most people in AMerican dont even know what is torrent.. or let alone have the means to set it up and start downloading and burn to dvd and then watch it..
its a minority.. young adults, kids, adults in the know..
majority of the world dont have a clue.. or woudnt even bother..
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work 60-70 hours a week and have a nine month old. It is next to impossible for me to go out to the movies. It is much easier for me to make a couple of clicks and watch in the comfort of my home |
yes thats so true.. and so are so many people...
the studios still make there money off of tv syndication, cable etc..
they are just so greedy.. cause the stars are getting more greedy..
the world is getting greedy.. and no one likes a robin hood..
cut throat industry. ohh well.. this is one war they cant win..
as long as there is a internet connection there will always be files to share!
but chiaa you are right ..
they havent figure out how to make money from this..
there are many channels , avenues they could go to get alot more sales!
there are on line video stores now.. napster has gone legit etc...
99cent downloads etc..
why cant they just look at it as an interactive radio station and television
just that we have the control what to be played and viewed.. thats all it is! |
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ThisCharmingMan

Joined: 11 Jan 2004
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:00 am Post subject: |
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Strange!Even though my browser says it's still banned, it opens now after a reboot.And looking over the sites policy/rules, I can't see how they can tell if your giving back as much as your taking. Can anyone explain this? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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uh suprnova.org is still working as of 12/15 this morning (USA time). Haven't had any problems in about a week.
What's the big deal? On the other hand, my downloading is a LOT slower this week. Maybe some people are fearful of getting caught or something. |
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animalbirdfish
Joined: 04 Feb 2004
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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bucheon bum wrote: |
uh suprnova.org is still working as of 12/15 this morning (USA time). Haven't had any problems in about a week.
What's the big deal? On the other hand, my downloading is a LOT slower this week. Maybe some people are fearful of getting caught or something. |
Yeah, I too noticed that suprnova was working...but very slowly. Youceff and Ultratorrent both seem to be down, though. |
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panthermodern

Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Location: Taxronto
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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Some problems were being caused by MS-Service Pack II.
I (We) had to reload all of my (our) sharing programs this past weekend and did not really get it working at "full speed" until Tuesday. |
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reedtea
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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This happened to me. I use Sharaza that uses all the torrents, plus kazaa and all the others. So I thought I was blocked by the Korean server. I just waited a couple of days and it reset. Just be patient, everything will work out. . .
Good luck!
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ThisCharmingMan wrote: |
Strange!Even though my browser says it's still banned, it opens now after a reboot.And looking over the sites policy/rules, I can't see how they can tell if your giving back as much as your taking. Can anyone explain this? |
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