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Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| Maybe they should take more active measures to block cell phones. Are blocking and jamming transmitters illegal in Korea? If they are, they should pass a law that would allow them to be used in schools during exams. |
At my college in Pusan there were buildings (e.g., amphiteatre, multimedia) that had some way to have cell phones blocked. I was wondering about this. I figured that all test sites would have this same feature.
But, here is a question for you. What were the scores of the students who cheated? I don't know how many times I have seen a good student copy from a bad student because that was who was closest. So, maybe the answers they were getting were not good ones any way.
And as far as getting the question a bit in advance, I am sure there was not enough time nor the means to get a good answer for those questions.
My guess is, that if the students who cheated actually had time to finish the test (they were not caught in the act) and then we had their scores, and then they were given another chance without cheating, they would do better the second time.
And, think about the stress of worring about getting caught. Again, my guess is that they would have gotten better scores without cheating. |
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Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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Oh!  My last posted just started page 5  . Oh what a surprise.
and, oh, 5 is my special number.
And, 5, I would like to write more, but I have to go. 5 no. I am �� sorry. |
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katydid
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
Location: Here kitty kitty kitty...
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| You should be chicken sorry not cow sorry. |
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Cedar
Joined: 11 Mar 2003
Location: In front of my computer, again.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Cell phone jamming is illegal in Korea. Even in the Opera House or what have you. Renting out jamming units is illegal. But some exist. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Just curious...but could anybody tell me exactly how cheating on the Korean CSAT is either A) illegal, or B) a criminal offense? |
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Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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| katydid wrote: |
| You should be chicken sorry not cow sorry. |
I was cow hoping someone would catch that. And, I can't think of anyone else who would have been a better choice than my old friend katydid.
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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A Struggle of 18 Days with 280,000 Text Messages
The amount of data handed over to the investigation team was roughly 280,000 cases that consisted of numbers from one to five, sorted out from 300 million text messages sent on the test day. "In the beginning of the probe, we didn't think that many illegal acts would be committed. However, as we found snowballing messages suspected to be used in cheating, my team and I were stunned."
by Se-Jin Jung, Donga.com (DECEMBER 10, 2004)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2004121115548
Mr. Pink wrote,
"A few students cheat and it's on the news day and night for a week."
Really? |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 6:01 am Post subject: |
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Education Ministry goes after cheaters
The Education Ministry has decided to throw out the test results of more than 320 students who were involved in organized cheating on the national college entrance examination, a ministry official said yesterday. The ministry has received a list of 400 names of test-takers who police identified as playing a role in cheating schemes. The list included 374 who used text messaging on mobile phones to answer test questions, while the others involved persons who took the test under assumed names. The National Police Agency said 22 students have been arrested in the scandal so far.
JoongAng Daily (December 12, 2004)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200412/12/200412122247147339900090409041.html
Mr. Pink wrote,
"A few students cheat and it's on the news day and night for a week."
Really? |
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Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island
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| Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 6:37 am Post subject: |
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Well when you make the college entrance exam the most important point in a Korean's life there are bound to be cheaters. I see this as perfectly natural. His or her entire future rests on that exam and whether he or she will get a good job in the future based on getting into a good university. Going to a good university means a good job in the future is almost guaranteed.
In Canada there are second chances if you work hard. In Korea if you fail the exam it's almost as if you are condemned to a life of hard work with little chance of getting ahead. No wonder people commit suicide over the exam. It is sad really  |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Mr. Pink wrote,
"A few students cheat and it's on the news day and night for a week."
Really?
Top 10 Domestic News Stories in 2004
9. Exam Cheating by Cell Phones: Several hundred students cheated in the Nov. 17 College Scholastic Ability Test (CSAT) using cell phones, raising questions about education reform and the negative effects of state-of-the-art mobile technology. The test scores of 312 applicants were invalidated for cheating with mobile text messages and hiring substitute exam-takers. Police first detected the problem in the southwestern city of Kwangju, but later found that cheating had occurred nationwide.
2004 Top 10 News, Korea Times
http://times.hankooki.com/special/2004top10news.htm |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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And strictly speaking, cheating on the CSAT doesn't seem to be a criminal act. Here's what the EFL-Law forum had to say about it:
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Good question - I'll ask one of the Criminal law guys who helps us out (on Monday)
As I see it, they (students) broke provisions of the Education Act which sees their expulsion from school and forfeiture of rights to do the exam for a period of time. However, the guys who 'rendered their services' to the students will have breached numerous articles of the Criminal Code.
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So while assisting someone to cheat on the CSAT is apparently a criminal offense, cheating on the test yourself is not. And according to the article above, the Education Ministry is throwing out the exam results of 400 names of test-takers "who police identified as playing a role in cheating schemes".
Notice the wording. The Education Ministry is throwing out their test results without without proving in a court of law that either a) the students actually cheated, or b) that doing so was illegal.
An aggressive defence lawyer could have a field day with this, if they were so inclined. If I were one of the students, I'd be screaming blue murder and going after the Ministry with lawsuits, for violating due process. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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Cheating on Police Exam
After the recent cheating scandal on the aptitude test for university admission, another shocking cheating case has been uncovered. In the state-run recruitment exam for police officers, some applicants were involved in organized cheating.
by Yong-Kyun Jeong, Donga.com (December 31, 2004)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2005010178698 |
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